Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[scifisam]

It's quite a nasty virus and if you have a respiritory problem it could be very bad for you indeed. I have a mate who is a parmedic in East London and up to Easter last year it was rife, then it tailed off. Came back in the Winter.

I know one person hospitalised with a clot on his lungs, nasty but he recovered. He's very overweight and admits to himself he eats unhealthily. A few other people diagnosed and had a few shitty days.
Last year when it was novel precautions were rightly taken, but now much more is known and the risks are far better known i.e. the risks are far less.

I don't know anybody who have died, but have heard of three seperate occasions of Covid-19 being put on the death certificate rather than the heart attacks and stroke of the elderly three. Add that to the BBC figures flashed before our eyes every day of deaths within 28 days of any reason with a positive test and that concerns me.

Vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, of course. Let the rest of us get on with life properly.

Hancock and Johnson are a pair of cunts and Blair wants every man, woman and child to be jabbed as he's so concerned for our well-being.

My views on Covid, so ship me off to the conspiraloon camp. As somebody tagged me on the anti-vaxx, 5G, chemtrail nutter thread.

Griff, instead of shouting at you like you're a moron, I'd ask you to bear in mind how death certificates are filled out. The doctors will not be writing "covid 19" and that's that, most of the time, because a virus doesn't kill in and of itself, it causes the body to respond in ways that lead to death.

The death certificate will say stroke or heart attack for the "Disease or condition leading directly to death," and then, if there's a positive covid test, that will be included in the section "other disease or condition, if any, leading to [the disease or condition leading directly to death." There can be several conditions listed there, not just one.

That's how it works. It's not covid being written down as cause of "instead of" other conditions.

For example:



From here: https://assets.publishing.service.g...l-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Griff, instead of shouting at you like you're a moron, I'd ask you to bear in mind how death certificates are filled out. The doctors will not be writing "covid 19" and that's that, most of the time, because a virus doesn't kill in and of itself, it causes the body to respond in ways that lead to death.

The death certificate will say stroke or heart attack for the "Disease or condition leading directly to death," and then, if there's a positive covid test, that will be included in the section "other disease or condition, if any, leading to [the disease or condition leading directly to death." There can be several conditions listed there, not just one.

That's how it works. It's not covid being written down as cause of "instead of" other conditions.

For example:

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From here: https://assets.publishing.service.g...l-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf

Cheers for posting that - it's strangely fascinating to see how exacting the procedures are for certifying death.

 

[BigMoaner]

Surrounding them like they've struck gold

 

[BigMoaner]

Endless grift. Everywhere.

 

[BigMoaner]

I never check twitter but slightly reassured that covidiots is trending

 

[BigMoaner]

 

[Numbers]

There’s a few on here who advocate police violence towards these conspiraloon/anti-lockdown demo’s - funny auld place urban. Don’t be a stranger mate

This.

Good to see you posting Griff

 

[rubbershoes]

What saddens me about Griff's unhappy appearance here yesterday is that he knows what urban is. We don't blindly accept what the government says and certainly not a tory one. If the whole pandemic and lockdown was a government ploy, this is the place it would be called out.

We don't like lockdown but understand that a public health emergency rewrites the rules.

So Griff, if you're lurking, think about who is likely to be right, the cynical, sceptical bastards of urban, or Gillian McKeith and Lawrence Fox

 

[cupid_stunt]

So Griff, if you're lurking, think about who is likely to be right, the cynical, sceptical bastards of urban, or Gillian McKeith and Lawrence Fox

That idiot Gillian McKeith has claimed the India’s Covid crisis “is not what it seems”, fuck knows what she thinks it is.

I didn't know much about her, but this from her wikipedia page gave me enough of an insight into her, to know she's barking mad.

Numerous dieting and lifestyle plans supported by McKeith, such as the concept of the detox diet and the value of colonic irrigation, are not supported by scientific research, nor are her claims that through examining people's tongues and stool samples she can identify their ailments and dietary needs. McKeith possesses no qualifications in nutrition or medicine from accredited institutions, and in 2007 agreed with the Advertising Standards Authority to stop using the title "Doctor".

 

[IC3D]

Surrounding them like they've struck gold

a mental health nurse and the other is wearing a hidden disability lanyard, cynically covering herself for breaking the nmc code of conduct by attending I reckon. Dicks.

 

[BigMoaner]

The one holding the placard is not a nurse.

 

[BigMoaner]

But dressed up like one. Incredible.

 

[IC3D]

But dressed up like one. Incredible.

I looked at the thread she has a twitter saying she is a mental health nurse not NHS.

 

[LDC]

I looked at the thread she has a twitter saying she is a mental health nurse not NHS.

Still, it is entirely possible to be working in the NHS as a nurse and have some totally batshit views about covid and the pandemic, I've met a few of them.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I do like this reply to Gillian McKeith, "The likelihood of those women being actual nurses, is about the same as you being an actual Doctor".

 

[IC3D]

Still, it is entirely possible to be working in the NHS as a nurse and have some totally batshit views about covid and the pandemic, I've met a few of them.

I'm not making a statement just that's what's on her twitter.
I know plenty of nurses not having the vaccine. Up to them I'm not getting into one about it today though.
Not met any loons just nopes

 

[LDC]

A nurse I chatted to last year was convinced the pandemic was all exaggerated, and was going to refuse to have any vaccine, and said she would also rather die than have to take any daily medication for an illness she might get.

It's hard not to be a bit like wtf you proper fucking thick weirdo about that.

 

[keybored]

But dressed up like one. Incredible.

Must be one of them "Crisis Actors" these people are so fond of.

 

[likesfish]

Should have invited the IDF over to police the riot ( well would be a RIOT when the IDF spotted the star of Davids ).
its win-win Palestinians get a break and stupid evil people get hurt a lot

 

[Orang Utan]

I looked at the thread she has a twitter saying she is a mental health nurse not NHS.

Aye a mental health nurse alright

 

[BigMoaner]

Aye a mental health nurse alright

The responses in the comments are great.

 

[IC3D]

In other news let's call them a real nurse is fighting a £10'000 fine for protesting for better pay and conditions. Pleasingly people easily crowdfunded her out of trouble

Law firm takes up case of nurse fined £10,000 for 1% pay protest

Karen Reissmann, a frontline worker throughout the pandemic, was given the fixed penalty by Greater Manchester police

www.theguardian.com

Maybe she's more a threat to the state than the idiots

 

[bimble]

Some people here will remember my yoga teaching neighbours, from such shows as The ones who abandoned their dying dog last Summer.
I just bumped into them and said I'd had the vaccine (in context of i'm fine thanks but wasn't yesterday) and their reaction was a perfect mix of disapproval and shock, looked like genuine shock that I'd chosen to be vaccinated. "you've had the vacccine!" she said, like i thought you were not that type or something.
The shock is a really bad sign, i think in their circle it must be pretty standard to not have it.

I've been thinking about the whole thing and reckon that a unifying factor in the refusers (not the hesitant) is a kind of extreme individualism, which goes for right wing nutjobs and for full on yoga/ hippies as well, no such thing as society we're all just masters of our own destiny and fuck the rest of them losers, etc.

 

[lazythursday]

Some people here will remember my yoga teaching neighbours, from such shows as The ones who abandoned their dying dog last Summer.
I just bumped into them and said I'd had the vaccine (in context of i'm fine thanks but wasn't yesterday) and their reaction was a perfect mix of disapproval and shock, looked like genuine shock that I'd chosen to be vaccinated. "you've had the vacccine!" she said, like i thought you were not that type or something.
The shock is a really bad sign, i think in their circle it must be pretty standard to not have it.

I've been thinking about the whole thing and reckon that a unifying factor in the refusers (not the hesitant) is a kind of extreme individualism, which goes for right wing nutjobs and for full on yoga/ hippies as well, no such thing as society we're all just masters of our own destiny and fuck the rest of them losers, etc.

I agree, but from my experience the hippy individualists think they're the most community minded people going, but it usually turns out to be a very specific community eg them and their mates, or a belief that the rest of the community would benefit from following their example. The ones I know genuinely seem to believe that their actions during the pandemic (not wearing masks, complaining about the deep state and the paedos) are about defending the whole community from the elites.

 

[bimble]

It’s disconcerting when I think through people I used to know, ex-friends, old boyfriends etc, I reckon possibly the majority will probably be refusing the vaccine. This is quite a revealing moment in that way isn’t it.

 

[glitch hiker]

Some people here will remember my yoga teaching neighbours, from such shows as The ones who abandoned their dying dog last Summer.
I just bumped into them and said I'd had the vaccine (in context of i'm fine thanks but wasn't yesterday) and their reaction was a perfect mix of disapproval and shock, looked like genuine shock that I'd chosen to be vaccinated. "you've had the vacccine!" she said, like i thought you were not that type or something.
The shock is a really bad sign, i think in their circle it must be pretty standard to not have it.

I've been thinking about the whole thing and reckon that a unifying factor in the refusers (not the hesitant) is a kind of extreme individualism, which goes for right wing nutjobs and for full on yoga/ hippies as well, no such thing as society we're all just masters of our own destiny and fuck the rest of them losers, etc.

"Mariella, I don't think Downward Dog is going to help this time. Gather Cyan, Cheyenne and Joshua-Ezekiel and I'll get the Mandalas"
"The Really big ones that confuse me?"
"Yes, Shiva protect us"

 

[bimble]

"Mariella, I don't think Downward Dog is going to help this time. Gather Cyan, Cheyenne and Joshua-Ezekiel and I'll get the Mandalas"
"The Really big ones that confuse me?"
"Yes, Shiva protect us"

Thing is they don't feel at risk from the covid, themselves, and thats it thats the end of their thinking on the subject.

 

[pbsmooth]

same people would neck a bottle of random juices and herbs at a festival because it sounds healthy.

 

[bimble]

Its so many kinds of selfish at this point, like they must know, even in the abstract, that the more people get jabbed the more likely they are to be able to run their yoga retreat holiday for paying guests in Spain later this year.
So me getting jabbed is part of that, helps the chances of them getting to do what they want.
But they won't do it themselves, It's parasitic.

 

[BigMoaner]

Its so many kinds of selfish at this point, like they must know, even in the abstract, that the more people get jabbed the more likely they are to be able to run their yoga retreat holiday for paying guests in Spain later this year.
So me getting jabbed is part of that, helps the chances of them getting to do what they want.
But they won't do it themselves, It's parasitic.

Nothing spiritual about these folks. Dewy eyed selfish facists. I have no time left for these folks.