Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Cop out
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
There's no suggestion of mandatory vaccinations, except perhaps for health & care workers, which seems reasonable enough.
Vaccine passports for travelling to certain countries have been around for donkeys' years, there's been no suggestion to use them domestically. There has been a suggestion of 'covid passports', which would require a record of vaccination OR a negative test, I doubt it will happen, but if they can be made to work for certain businesses to open safety what's the problem?
What censorship?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Are you in favour of mandatory wearing of seatbelts, mandatory 30 mph speed limits around schools and in built up areas, driving licences? Not sure what you mean by censorship.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
No offence, and nothing personal to you, but this sort of response (which turns up all over) just doesn't help. I wore masks before it was mandatory and I got a jab as soon as I was able but I am myself concerned about government bullshit re: introducing vaccine passports, and commercial establishments being given access to health data. I don't think countries and businesses should be able to arbitrarily restrict access for no good reason, or use it as an excuse to collect data.
When people are concerned about this stuff and that concern is rejected by the mainstream it's not surprising that some end up with the loons. Where else are they going to go?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
I agree but a private business is a private business, rightly or wrongly they decide who gets to come in, same with countries.
I am sympathetic to the concerns and certainly wouldn't want to show a passport to go to the pub, already won't go to clubs that demand photo ID etc
e2a - I'm concerned about all government bullshit and the stuff that's meant to help that's done badly and costs us all shitloads too
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
But, reducing infections & deaths is a bloody good reason.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It is, but it needs very careful inspecting to make sure it's a necessary and sufficient reason for legislation and regulations that are deployed.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Bet the judge was muttering 'for fucks sake' under her breath.Piers Corbyn and sundry others in court today re: an anti-lockdown protest last year. Contains FOTLing and judicial weariness.
Piers Corbyn in court accused of Bristol Covid breach
Jeremy Corbyn's elder brother is among five defendants set to appear at Bristol Magistrates' Courtwww.bristolpost.co.uk
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I mean it is kind of a standard thing now that (for example) when people are worried about jobs, and they're fed misinformation that foreigners are taking their jobs, just saying "fuck off you racist" is not a useful response, even if they might be wrong about that. I don't see what's different here.
eta: and btw I am absolutely not saying that Griff is even in that position. Just being sceptical and concerned in the first place is what everyone should be doing.
eta: and btw I am absolutely not saying that Griff is even in that position. Just being sceptical and concerned in the first place is what everyone should be doing.
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
what's your views on covid?
Virus don't care about your feelings
nyxx
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Are you aware of what’s happening in India right now?
Here’s a Twitter thread on the build up to the present situation:
Lock downs are what’s needed to prevent the disaster unfolding there now, when all other virus mitigation strategies have failed.
Griff
Feeding the foxes
It's quite a nasty virus and if you have a respiritory problem it could be very bad for you indeed. I have a mate who is a parmedic in East London and up to Easter last year it was rife, then it tailed off. Came back in the Winter.
I know one person hospitalised with a clot on his lungs, nasty but he recovered. He's very overweight and admits to himself he eats unhealthily. A few other people diagnosed and had a few shitty days.
Last year when it was novel precautions were rightly taken, but now much more is known and the risks are far better known i.e. the risks are far less.
I don't know anybody who have died, but have heard of three seperate occasions of Covid-19 being put on the death certificate rather than the heart attacks and stroke of the elderly three. Add that to the BBC figures flashed before our eyes every day of deaths within 28 days of any reason with a positive test and that concerns me.
Vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, of course. Let the rest of us get on with life properly.
Hancock and Johnson are a pair of cunts and Blair wants every man, woman and child to be jabbed as he's so concerned for our well-being.
My views on Covid, so ship me off to the conspiraloon camp.
As somebody tagged me on the anti-vaxx, 5G, chemtrail nutter thread. 
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Cool story broIt's quite a nasty virus and if you have a respiritory problem it could be very bad for you indeed. I have a mate who is a parmedic in East London and up to Easter last year it was rife, then it tailed off. Came back in the Winter.
I know one person hospitalised with a clot on his lungs, nasty but he recovered. He's very overweight and admits to himself he eats unhealthily. A few other people diagnosed and had a few shitty days.
Last year when it was novel precautions were rightly taken, but now much more is known and the risks are far better known i.e. the risks are far less.
I don't know anybody who have died, but have heard of three seperate occasions of Covid-19 being put on the death certificate rather than the heart attacks and stroke of the elderly three. Add that to the BBC figures flashed before our eyes every day of deaths within 28 days of any reason with a positive test and that concerns me.
Vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, of course. Let the rest of us get on with life properly.
Hancock and Johnson are a pair of cunts and Blair wants every man, woman and child to be jabbed as he's so concerned for our well-being.
My views on Covid, so ship me off to the conspiraloon camp.
nyxx
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
“I do not know anyone who’s died” - fuck off
a Tory attitude and you’re giving out that it’s you who’s the rebel
a Tory attitude and you’re giving out that it’s you who’s the rebel
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
There you go, Griff has outed themselves as somewhere between a bit of a loon and a complete fucking loon.
Clearly they missed the news that the NHS was not far away from collapsing back in January, with hospitals in Kent overwhelmed, and patients being transferred to hospitals as far away as Plymouth & Bristol.
Without the latest lockdown we could easily have ended-up like India has now, with people dying in the queues outside of hospital, because they can't admit anymore patients, they are out of beds, and running out of drugs & oxygen, that's what the anti-lockdown loons seem to want to happen here.
Clearly they missed the news that the NHS was not far away from collapsing back in January, with hospitals in Kent overwhelmed, and patients being transferred to hospitals as far away as Plymouth & Bristol.
Without the latest lockdown we could easily have ended-up like India has now, with people dying in the queues outside of hospital, because they can't admit anymore patients, they are out of beds, and running out of drugs & oxygen, that's what the anti-lockdown loons seem to want to happen here.
Griff
Feeding the foxes
Oh fuck off. I meant personally.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
There it is! Well done
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Exactly. You only meant personally
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's quite a nasty virus and if you have a respiritory problem it could be very bad for you indeed.
And also quite often if you don't have any respiratory problems, so that point of yours is bullshit.
I have a mate who is a parmedic in East London and up to Easter last year it was rife, then it tailed off. Came back in the Winter.
Yes, and....?
I know one person hospitalised with a clot on his lungs, nasty but he recovered. He's very overweight and admits to himself he eats unhealthily. A few other people diagnosed and had a few shitty days.
Again, so what... overweight and unhealthy people not quite worth worrying about?
Last year when it was novel precautions were rightly taken...
Novel means new and yet officially named, not just novel "Oh I haven't seen it before" but now I know all about it so things are fine.
...but now much more is known and the risks are far better known i.e. the risks are far less.
Yes, much more is known. But what risks are you talking about? For who? In what circumstances? And advice has changed according to what we know now that we didn't know a year ago. And also risk can't be divided into solely individual risk as it gets transmitted from person to person.
I don't know anybody who have died, but have heard of three seperate occasions of Covid-19 being put on the death certificate rather than the heart attacks and stroke of the elderly three.
Bollocks rumour often repeated by people with no basis in fact or understanding about how the death certification process works. BTW I know 2 men in their 40s who have died of this, one after months on ICU and ECMO. But who you or I know dying or not is irrelevant, look at any of the figures for numbers dead in any country you want.
Add that to the BBC figures flashed before our eyes every day of deaths within 28 days of any reason with a positive test and that concerns me.
In what way does it 'concern you'? How about the rest of the world's news channels? Watched any news in Brasil or India recently? They in on 'it' too?
Vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, of course. Let the rest of us get on with life properly.
See above re: viruses being transmitted from person to person.
Hancock and Johnson are a pair of cunts...
A rare point of agreement.
...and Blair wants every man, woman and child to be jabbed as he's so concerned for our well-being.
Expand on that then?
And also quite often if you don't have any respiratory problems, so that point of yours is bullshit.
I have a mate who is a parmedic in East London and up to Easter last year it was rife, then it tailed off. Came back in the Winter.
Yes, and....?
I know one person hospitalised with a clot on his lungs, nasty but he recovered. He's very overweight and admits to himself he eats unhealthily. A few other people diagnosed and had a few shitty days.
Again, so what... overweight and unhealthy people not quite worth worrying about?
Last year when it was novel precautions were rightly taken...
Novel means new and yet officially named, not just novel "Oh I haven't seen it before" but now I know all about it so things are fine.
...but now much more is known and the risks are far better known i.e. the risks are far less.
Yes, much more is known. But what risks are you talking about? For who? In what circumstances? And advice has changed according to what we know now that we didn't know a year ago. And also risk can't be divided into solely individual risk as it gets transmitted from person to person.
I don't know anybody who have died, but have heard of three seperate occasions of Covid-19 being put on the death certificate rather than the heart attacks and stroke of the elderly three.
Bollocks rumour often repeated by people with no basis in fact or understanding about how the death certification process works. BTW I know 2 men in their 40s who have died of this, one after months on ICU and ECMO. But who you or I know dying or not is irrelevant, look at any of the figures for numbers dead in any country you want.
Add that to the BBC figures flashed before our eyes every day of deaths within 28 days of any reason with a positive test and that concerns me.
In what way does it 'concern you'? How about the rest of the world's news channels? Watched any news in Brasil or India recently? They in on 'it' too?
Vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, of course. Let the rest of us get on with life properly.
See above re: viruses being transmitted from person to person.
Hancock and Johnson are a pair of cunts...
A rare point of agreement.
...and Blair wants every man, woman and child to be jabbed as he's so concerned for our well-being.
Expand on that then?
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Griff
Feeding the foxes
Well I can't speak for you can I?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You halfwit.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Why, because you are an ignorant twat?
The excess deaths recorded since the start of all this is very close to the total included in the '28 days' figure of over 127k, but falls somewhat short of the over 150k recorded on death certificates, which indicates the '28 days' figure is fairly accurate.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Yep well on the 'died of covid or with covid' dual-carriageway.
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