Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You talking about me?

Wanking yourself in to oblivion is fine.

 

[frogwoman]

Also really doesn't help the anti conspiracy cause that the government change the rules every three seconds and don't even listen to it themselves

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Yeah SheilaNaGig although a lot of this stuff looks irrational but a central theme of it is antisemitism which is p deeply ingrained in culture and politics on both the right and left, and more prominent in the last few years. The qanon adrenochrome stuff is just the warmed up blood libel and it basically repeats the claims Icke and co have been banging on about for years. Really doesn't bode well tbh, I feel pretty anxious about it especially because a lot of Jewish people are seeing much more hassle.

And then there's stuff like paedophilia and as you said there's all sorts of stuff like Epstein and the Savile scandal where people just got away with doing heinous shit for years.

Surprisingly though quite a few of my mates who have been a bit conspiracy minded in the past have been more or less on the same page as me re covid this time, and the opposite has been the case for a few people I wouldn't have expected.

Yes, the antisemetic & blood libel stuff is a huge concern for sure. There’s no doubt a lot of this has been co-opted by pre-existing bullshit peddlers and bigots. But - without meaning to minimise that at all - I think a great many of the new recruits are naive about all of that. And they’re at great risk of being dragged onto that bus.

And, like you, I’ve been surprised a couple of times when I assumed a someone would be a Covid denier and they aren’t.

 

[frogwoman]

Yes, the antisemetic & blood libel stuff is a huge concern for sure. There’s no doubt a lot of this has been co-opted by pre-existing bullshit peddlers and bigots. But - without meaning to minimise that at all - I think a great many of the new recruits are naive about all of that. And they’re at great risk of being dragged onto that bus.

And, like you, I’ve been surprised a couple of times when I assumed a someone would be a Covid denier and they aren’t.

They start off naive but that stuff is never more than one click away. You can either get out of it really fast...or not.

 

[8ball]

Also really doesn't help the anti conspiracy cause that the government change the rules every three seconds and don't even listen to it themselves

I think this is possibly the biggest driver of it.
Who said the Tories don’t aid and abet Anti-Semitism, eh?

 

[SheilaNaGig]

They start off naive but that stuff is never more than one click away. You can either get out of it really fast...or not.

I know. I said so in my post.

I’ve said all along, this whole thing is hugely concerning.

 

[8ball]

They start off naive but that stuff is never more than one click away. You can either get out of it really fast...or not.

It’s been a big theme in the conspiracy scene forever. I think a lot used to leak in from people looking up old historical sources that they don’t understand the context of. Now it’s properly embedded.

 

[frogwoman]

Who said the Tories don’t aid and abet Anti-Semitism, eh?

Don't think anyone said they didnt.

 

[8ball]

Don't think anyone said they didnt.

They definitely tried that line, and plenty of fellow-travellers seemed happy to join in when they were trying to re-position it as a leftist thing.

 

[frogwoman]

I know. I said so in my post.

I’ve said all along, this whole thing is hugely concerning.

Yeah, sorry if I came across as aggressive, I'm pretty touchy about this stuff tbh.

 

[frogwoman]

They definitely tried that line, and plenty of fellow-travellers seemed happy to join in when they were trying to re-position it as a leftist thing.

It's a leftist thing too tbf. Not really what the thread is about tho. It's deeply embedded on much of both the right and the left.

 

[8ball]

It's a leftist thing too tbf. Not really what the thread is about tho. It's deeply embedded on much of both the right and the left.

Yeah, I used to associate it much more with the right myself, but it's been stinking up the joint all over.
I sometimes speak with someone online who is into the Q stuff and he hasn't crossed that Rubicon yet (Tom Hanks and Bill Gates aren't Jewish so how could it be etc. etc.).

I made a little headway with some references to the blood libel and its origins, as well as the bizarreness of the Chinese infecting America with a bioweapon by releasing it to their own people first (he's one of the "the virus is real" sub-group). Hoping that the incoherence generated by the 'retirement' of Ron Watkins and collapse of the Trump project causes a few lights to come on.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yeah, sorry if I came across as aggressive, I'm pretty touchy about this stuff tbh.

And, you have every right to be so.

 

[8ball]

And, you have every right to be so.

Yeah, seconded here.

 

[8ball]

Apropos of nothing, I just happened across a Facebook group denouncing Extinction Rebellion for supporting 5G, and an 'Extinction Rebellion Against 5G' group.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

one of the comments on that earlier link by Numbers
"
in an effort to understand it clearly, is this done with adult human dna or child dna? are both inherently evil or just the child dna part?
"

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Yeah SheilaNaGig although a lot of this stuff looks irrational but a central theme of it is antisemitism which is p deeply ingrained in culture and politics on both the right and left, and more prominent in the last few years. The qanon adrenochrome stuff is just the warmed up blood libel and it basically repeats the claims Icke and co have been banging on about for years. Really doesn't bode well tbh, I feel pretty anxious about it especially because a lot of Jewish people are seeing much more hassle.

And then there's stuff like paedophilia and as you said there's all sorts of stuff like Epstein and the Savile scandal where people just got away with doing heinous shit for years.

Surprisingly though quite a few of my mates who have been a bit conspiracy minded in the past have been more or less on the same page as me re covid this time, and the opposite has been the case for a few people I wouldn't have expected.

I was really surprised to see "adrenochrome" appearing recently given that the whole thing is entirely fictional (well, adrenochrome is real but it's nothing like Fear And Loathing and you can just buy it) until I thought "wait, global elites drinking the blood of children... oh yeah" and slapped myself on the forehead.

 

[8ball]

I was really surprised to see "adrenochrome" appearing recently given that the whole thing is entirely fictional (well, adrenochrome is real but it's nothing like Fear And Loathing and you can just buy it) until I thought "wait, global elites drinking the blood of children... oh yeah" and slapped myself on the forehead.

Ah, well, yeah, you can buy it. But you can also get it from the bodies of babies, which is what they're doing.

<above is a pretty direct quote from a conversation with a QAnoner>

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Yeah, sorry if I came across as aggressive, I'm pretty touchy about this stuff tbh.

No need to apologise. X

 

[frogwoman]

Where are they getting the aborted foetus stuff from? As far as I know eg the flu vaccine is grown in chickens eggs?

 

[two sheds]

It's what Trump had isn't it?

 

[souljacker]

Where are they getting the aborted foetus stuff from? As far as I know eg the flu vaccine is grown in chickens eggs?

The RNA stuff uses something that was created from a fetus in the 60s, which isn't really that bizarre. Sort of like stem cells I think.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I was really surprised to see "adrenochrome" appearing recently given that the whole thing is entirely fictional (well, adrenochrome is real but it's nothing like Fear And Loathing and you can just buy it) until I thought "wait, global elites drinking the blood of children... oh yeah" and slapped myself on the forehead.

It’s all very insidious.

 

[Orang Utan]

I was really surprised to see "adrenochrome" appearing recently given that the whole thing is entirely fictional (well, adrenochrome is real but it's nothing like Fear And Loathing and you can just buy it) until I thought "wait, global elites drinking the blood of children... oh yeah" and slapped myself on the forehead.

It’s all from films. The tunnels underground where they keep the trafficked children are straight from Us

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The RNA stuff uses something that was created from a fetus in the 60s, which isn't really that bizarre. Sort of like stem cells I think.

Several vaccines are made using cell lines that originally derive from aborted foetuses. They don't actually contain them, but it's been an anti-vax thing for a while.

Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I did actually look at that video and it doesn't even seem to manage to produce proof of that in this case - the bit where the woman says it does is based on a heavily cropped and unexplained web page, URL and title deliberately removed, that looks more like a test of the vaccine to me, from the text, which you can read "if you do your own research".

 

[SheilaNaGig]

The RNA stuff uses something that was created from a fetus in the 60s, which isn't really that bizarre. Sort of like stem cells I think.

This is exactly what i meant when I said it’s like watching someone trying to decipher a foreign language using only a dictionary. If you only know “it’s from a foetus” without understanding the scientific historical and cultural context, then you don’t understand it at all.

 

[8ball]

This is exactly what i meant when I said it’s like watching someone trying to decipher a foreign language using only a dictionary. If you only know “it’s from a foetus” without understanding the scientific historical and cultural context, then you don’t understand it at all.

THEY ARE INJECTING US WITH DEAD BABIES!!!

Yeah, it's fucking depressing. Dunning-Kruger on steroids.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It’s all from films. The tunnels underground where they keep the trafficked children are straight from Us

Yah, Q is a mashup of apocalyptic Christian beliefs and conspiracy pop culture.

 

[frogwoman]

This is some of the real world results of this stuff. Scares the shit out of me and I can end up feeling like a conspiracy theorist myself if I look into stuff like the funding of these groups enough lol.

 

[8ball]

Yah, Q is a mashup of apocalyptic Christian beliefs and conspiracy pop culture.

Would agree, though in different places it picks up other influences and trends quite happily.