Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
This is what vaccine hesitancy, to put it politely, is doing. It’s not just a ‘personal choice’ - it’s doing huge damage to public health and the NHS, endangering vulnerable people who have inefficient immune systems through no fault of their own and are unable to get vaccines themselves.
It really boils my blood. I suspect this issue has irreparably damagd my relationship with my sister, who is sceptical about vaccines.
It really boils my blood. I suspect this issue has irreparably damagd my relationship with my sister, who is sceptical about vaccines.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
i actively dislike anti vaxxers, i have to say. i have tried to think/feel my way out of this, and i can't. i can normally manage this with all sorts of shades of the political spectrum. Not with that mob, though. it's the arrogance of their position that i can't get round.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
The thing is, I have a certain sympathy for my sisters’ position. Her distrust of vaccines and doctors hasn’t come out of nowhere, but has been bolstered by recent conspirononsense on social media, which makes me less sympathetic.
She attributes her bout of CFS/glandular fever to vaccines she received when she visited Zanzibar/Tanzania about twenty years ago. And as a PoC, she has a legitimate mistrust of public health initiatives that have historically been foisted upon ethnic minorities.
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BigMoaner
We will all go together
yes, it's probably more my problem than there's. i need to activate my compassion and understanding brain matter more when i encounter them.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
its the "hang on, you've actually know more than all of the top experts, the top unis, the researchers, etc. you know more than them?" which i just cannot quite see through. it's that almost mind bending level of hubris that makes me dislike. but we are all flawed and irrational, i guess. that's teh route of compassion i suppose.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
the scary thing is that in many cases it is literally that, undeconstructed. literally that. actually gives me the creeps tbh
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
One I frequently come across seems to have laid-off the vaccine-bashing for a while.
Now they are trying to persuade everyone that the Blitz didn't happen. Instead it was a false-flag operation with the RAF doing the bombing so the interests of the Government and big housebuilders could be served by getting rid of "quality" English housing and replacing it with substandard accommodation for the new generations of immigrants to occupy.
Now they are trying to persuade everyone that the Blitz didn't happen. Instead it was a false-flag operation with the RAF doing the bombing so the interests of the Government and big housebuilders could be served by getting rid of "quality" English housing and replacing it with substandard accommodation for the new generations of immigrants to occupy.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I think it’s more that they think the scientists are in on it for their own gain, rather than that they don’t know the truth
elbows
Well-Known Member
Science itself is also not a monolith and requires a degree of open-mindedness and skepticism, and the need to continually reevaluate and ask the right questions of evidence and theories. And it does have some issues, as shown by things like the replication crisis ( Replication crisis - Wikipedia ) And as some have recently mentioned here, there are some reasons why trust in 'the establishment', the mainstream, including medical and scientific branches, is low, and historical reasons why the extent of this loss of trust varies between different groups.
But obviously two wrong dont make a right, and the crude, sloppy, biased, oversimplified etc versions of conspiracy theories and 'truth seekers' are poorly placed to uncover meaningful evidence or established a world view that is closer to truth. In most cases its out of the frying pan and into the fire for those that take such a path.
Covid public inquiry evidence is full of stories of establishment failures, but not often the same trees that the conspiracy theorists are barking up when it comes to the pandemic.
But obviously two wrong dont make a right, and the crude, sloppy, biased, oversimplified etc versions of conspiracy theories and 'truth seekers' are poorly placed to uncover meaningful evidence or established a world view that is closer to truth. In most cases its out of the frying pan and into the fire for those that take such a path.
Covid public inquiry evidence is full of stories of establishment failures, but not often the same trees that the conspiracy theorists are barking up when it comes to the pandemic.
Oh I dunno. They seem to have their own websites with alternative facts that they point at.
prunus
Tick tock.
That’s fucking genius in its outstanding levels of ignorance and stupidity. Belief in things like that feels like it’s getting closer and closer to actual psychosis.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
If it's not true,they wouldn't allow it on tiktok.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
That and wider anti-formal education worldview in the greater "resistance" community.
They always want you to "do your own research" but the last thing they want is for you to have the actual mental resources to do so effectively.
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pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
I think many of these guys straddle a very narrow boundary between psychosis and the fringes of reality.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
with something so "micro" and specialised as fucking virology i will let teh other scientists reevaluate and ask teh right questions.
PTK
Paul Kegan
It’s a fact that the bombers of the 1940s did not have the range to attack other countries, so all the bombing had to have been false flag. The Germans bombed Germany, the British bombed Britain, and France bombed itself (although it claimed not to have an operational air force). All the members of the bombing crews had shares in building companies, and if you trace the origins of the fortunes of the richest people in Britain you will find that they are all inherited from former members of the Royal Air Force.
Or so they would have you believe. In fact, the world only came into existence last Thursday.
Last Thursdayism
Last Thursdayism (alternately Last Tuesdayism or Last Wednesdayism) is the idea that the universe was created last Thursday, but with the physical appearance of being billions of years old. It's also a counter to the creationism theory. Under Last Thursdayism, books, fossils, light already on...
BigMoaner
We will all go together
in that area of their thinking it is utterly meglomaniacal if you give it some thought. i am not saying they are all irredimable narcissists, but as stupid cnts cartoon shows, which is an accurate description of reality, there's a kind of monumental arrogance to it.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
However, a lot of the transactional thinking they attribute to/express towards objects of their hate - Big Pharma, billionaires buying governments, "paid-actors" WEF, scientific funding (as if..!) etc is a pretty fundamental and demonstrable narcissistic trait. To them, literally everybody is acting in their own selfish self-interest.
Then there is the matter that a great many of them are actually monetising their pronouncements in every way they possibly can - which says a great deal about the mindset behind all this IMO.
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
The trouble with Last Thursdayism is that if you use the Julian Calendar, which is of course the only one true calendar, then Last Thursday may not have happened yet. Maybe.It’s a fact that the bombers of the 1940s did not have the range to attack other countries, so all the bombing had to have been false flag. The Germans bombed Germany, the British bombed Britain, and France bombed itself (although it claimed not to have an operational air force). All the members of the bombing crews had shares in building companies, and if you trace the origins of the fortunes of the richest people in Britain you will find that they are all inherited from former members of the Royal Air Force.
Or so they would have you believe. In fact, the world only came into existence last Thursday.
Last Thursdayism
Last Thursdayism (alternately Last Tuesdayism or Last Wednesdayism) is the idea that the universe was created last Thursday, but with the physical appearance of being billions of years old. It's also a counter to the creationism theory. Under Last Thursdayism, books, fossils, light already on...rationalwiki.org
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The people who think that have no idea. Nobody becomes a scientist for the money. If you wanna make money you go get an MBA instead of a PhD, and network your way into becoming a corpo parasite.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
I actually work at a uni where a vax was made during Covid. It’s just all sorts of ridiculous that that department is under sway by “the deep state”, especially when you have a bunch of other scientists world wide waiting to rip them to shed.
These fuckers give not one tiny shit about “reason”.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
sorry to hear about your sister, must be tough at times. sounds like she is not full wack "plandemic" "trying to enslave/kill us" though. there are of course nuances to anti vax beliefs, like your sister. my posts refer to the infamous "truther" movement (and I think it can be called a movement) who have viewed covid in deeply conspiritual terms since teh start. people might say they are not a movement, too disparate. but i think there's a certain kind of strand of the Trump right who do kind of gather round this horseshit and I do think they are not as meaningless and sparse as some think.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
an incredible meme on so many levels, one for the history books. so contemporary in the sense that never before has idiocacy and hubris been broadcast so far and so wide by so many people.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
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