Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
an intersting change is salaried vs grifting.
so take your average say Times or Guardian journo - they will often be salaried, pay check each month, pension, etc. the pressure for him to provoke constantly is off. he can be that little bit more explorative, he will know that as long as he pretty much toes the line, he will still be in a job next week.
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the grifter - his income is based entirely on his view count. the more views he gets, teh bigger the ad revenue and the bigger teh sponsers. he wants you to keep coming back, to share the link, to feel angry because angry feels good because it's self righteous anger, so he ignores the explorative and goes straight for the thing that will make you angry or, even better, make the other "side" angry.
there was some bloke talking about his youtube channel. he said that after a year of monetising, he was making 10s of thousands a month. after that year, it was 100s of thousands of a month. some bloke with a youtube channel probably far out earning any local newspaper channel. and they are everywhere, mainly right wing. this is what the immediate future looks like, hope it changes.
so take your average say Times or Guardian journo - they will often be salaried, pay check each month, pension, etc. the pressure for him to provoke constantly is off. he can be that little bit more explorative, he will know that as long as he pretty much toes the line, he will still be in a job next week.
vs
the grifter - his income is based entirely on his view count. the more views he gets, teh bigger the ad revenue and the bigger teh sponsers. he wants you to keep coming back, to share the link, to feel angry because angry feels good because it's self righteous anger, so he ignores the explorative and goes straight for the thing that will make you angry or, even better, make the other "side" angry.
there was some bloke talking about his youtube channel. he said that after a year of monetising, he was making 10s of thousands a month. after that year, it was 100s of thousands of a month. some bloke with a youtube channel probably far out earning any local newspaper channel. and they are everywhere, mainly right wing. this is what the immediate future looks like, hope it changes.
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Feel free to be angry about them as often as you like.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
i saw my best mate since 5 (we are both now 40) ruin his life over this. loose all his friends. went from a bloke whose main interests were golf and football, to going on marches and texting us that we were peadophile enablers. true story.
i was a bit obsessed for months on how he got there. took a deep dive and reported heavily on this thread, but luckily the obessesion is waning. he's gone. i don't think he's got in him to actually look inside a bit. that's another feature of conspiracy types in my view - they cannot for some reason look within and see where they might be wrong. all very interesting (and worrying) on many levels.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Clearly this poison is everywhere to some extent, but something only dawned on me earlier in a FB post largely aimed at the Tories in my family - thankfully so far as I know only in the generation above mine. :-
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bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
This is the “nutshell” explanation I’ve been looking for to describe the Sophie Corcoran’s, Darren Grimes and Rachel Riley’s of Twitter
Who starts them off. Who takes them aside and explains they can get paid but hated for pimping right wing shite
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
There's a very beautiful line that they all follow - "we can't say anything these days because of...[some left wing thing]. Then they say that very thing (but often carefully avoiding each (rightly) taboo term like the n word, the f word etc) for years and years, over and over, and make absoloute fortunes. Real, heavy duty money.
We are being oppressed! Look at my 10 bedroom LA mansion!
We need left wingers to start grifting as hard - there are signs of this. I really don't know how to balance out the books any other way. I would not shed a tear if youtube banned all political content. I really don't think the world would be a worse off place. Let it return to boring blog posts were the pennies trickle in. And that trickle might mean that people's values and principles lead instead of being lead by teh huge, huge money to be made on places like youtube and twitch.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Just a thought I've been having lately.
I think learning other languages is really important in this context. The US, as the largest English-speaking country in the world, tends to dominate the Anglosphere, and the way youtube etc's algorithms work make it far too easy to go from questioning the status quo to looking into the rabbit hole. Of course English is the most widely spoken, and nowadays loads of people across the world at least have it as a second language. BUT if learning foreign languages was encouraged and facilitated and normalised from a young age, then just maybe it would encourage people to access media in other languages, and see the US as less of the norm. Maybe even lots of foreign language programmes with good subtitles. Loads of kids in other countries speak at least some English, even where it's not officially spoken. I think it should be the same for the UK/England. (I know that Welsh and Gaelic are taught from an early age in some schools in Wales and Scotland, and that lots of families are Welsh-speaking in Wales anyway.) It wouldn't just be the language itself, it'd encourage people to look beyond the Anglosphere and learn about other cultures.
It might in itself sound like a wild conspiracy, but I reckon it would help to lessen the perception of the US as some kind of standard. Like I said, just a thought.
Lurdan
old wave
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One of the attendees yesterday was spotted wearing a Hope Sussex t-shirt
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Hope Sussex have been mentioned before on this thread. The details of the three day Freedom Music Festival they are holding this weekend are here. Disappointingly Right Said Fred don't seem to be performing although Baby D is, amongst many other delights. There is also to be a 'Spirit Fest' in August.
Richard Bartholomew wrote a blog post about HOPE and some of those involved with it back in June. Their educational project has a somewhat competently designed website full of aspirational quotes, some lifted from other alternative education projects, together with photographs of some of the lucky children they school. I thought schools were a bit more careful about posting photos of their pupils these days but I guess this is all part of the "new way of facilitating learning". Or something.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Panto season better baton down the hatches this year.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
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One of the attendees yesterday was spotted wearing a Hope Sussex t-shirt
twitter link
Hope Sussex have been mentioned before on this thread. The details of the three day Freedom Music Festival they are holding this weekend are here. Disappointingly Right Said Fred don't seem to be performing although Baby D is, amongst many other delights. There is also to be a 'Spirit Fest' in August.
Richard Bartholomew wrote a blog post about HOPE and some of those involved with it back in June. Their educational project has a somewhat competently designed website full of aspirational quotes, some lifted from other alternative education projects, together with photographs of some of the lucky children they school. I thought schools were a bit more careful about posting photos of their pupils these days but I guess this is all part of the "new way of facilitating learning". Or something.
One of their 'tutors' looks very like/is Sadie Graham, ex-National Front Sadie — Hope Sussex
Ah, yeah, just seen mentioned in the posts earlier.
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Such lovely people.
Patriotic Alternative - Wikipedia
This article from last year shows how far to the right they are. Content warning for extreme racism:
Exposed: Inside far right group Patriotic Alternative
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
"marxist establishment." absoloute einsteins. i actually have no qualms or guilt about calling these people some of the densest thickos on the planet. honest to god my 10 year old has a better hold on reality.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
I just drove past some shouty megaphone ranting anti vax nutters on the way home at some traffic lights. One of them knocked on my window trying to get me to take a leaflet. I ignored them 
Banners said something like "resist and don't comply". I'm not sure why they bother. Most people have either had the vaccine already or decided they are not going to. I doubt there are any "undecided" left.
Banners said something like "resist and don't comply". I'm not sure why they bother. Most people have either had the vaccine already or decided they are not going to. I doubt there are any "undecided" left.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I just drove past some shouty megaphone ranting anti vax nutters on the way home at some traffic lights. One of them knocked on my window trying to get me to take a leaflet. I ignored them
Banners said something like "resist and don't comply". I'm not sure why they bother. Most people have either had the vaccine already or decided they are not going to. I doubt there are any "undecided" left.
Piers Corbyn was wearing a "resist and don't comply" T-shirt when police impounded his car, and he signed a ticket issued by the police for driving without insurance.
He didn't resist or defy, and just complied.
MSN
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WouldBe
Dislicksick
It might be an idea to honk to drown the scum out.I just drove past some shouty megaphone ranting anti vax nutters on the way home at some traffic lights. One of them knocked on my window trying to get me to take a leaflet. I ignored them
Banners said something like "resist and don't comply". I'm not sure why they bother. Most people have either had the vaccine already or decided they are not going to. I doubt there are any "undecided" left.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
They had a "honk if you agree" sign so that might have been counter productiveIt might be an idea to honk to drown the scum out.
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