Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[two sheds]

You'll note I said "biosphere" and not "species" or even "clades". Furthermore, the privileging of specific families of organisms is a very human-centric thing to do.

You're comfortable with the huge number of species we're wiping out/have wiped out?

 

[NoXion]

You're comfortable with the huge number of species we're wiping out/have wiped out?

No. I just think we should be more honest with ourselves about why we want to protect the environment. Nobody would give a shit if bed bugs were wiped out of existence, but plenty of people would be bothered if charismatic megafauna were to disappear.

 

[two sheds]

indeed: bedbugs, mosquitoes and slugs I'm with you on

the thing that gets me though is when you see videos of animals who seem fairly closely as sentient as we are and we're hunting them to fuck and killing millions of them.

 

[Yossarian]

When its severity drops down into the range of vaccine side effects I'll be happy to join them.

The thing I find weirdest about the "nature's vaccine" angle is that people who argue not enough is known about the long-term effects of vaccine seem ready to ignore the known long-term effects of COVID in many patients, as well as the unknown effects more than 2 years after any COVID infection and more than 2 months after omicron.

 

[elbows]

indeed: bedbugs, mosquitoes and slugs I'm with you on

the thing that gets me though is when you see videos of animals who seem fairly closely as sentient as we are and we're hunting them to fuck and killing millions of them.

Hedgehogs eat slugs, they had a field day in my garden one year when there was a bumper crop of slugs and snails available.

There is no point in looking at things as if they are not interdependent systems.

 

[elbows]

The thing I find weirdest about the "nature's vaccine" angle is that people who argue not enough is known about the long-term effects of vaccine seem ready to ignore the known long-term effects of COVID in many patients, as well as the unknown effects more than 2 years after any COVID infection and more than 2 months after omicron.

They are mostly just looking for excuses they can convince themselves with as to why they dont need the vaccine, for numerous possible reasons.

 

[NoXion]

Hedgehogs eat slugs, they had a field day in my garden one year when there was a bumper crop of slugs and snails available.

There is no point in looking at things as if they are not interdependent systems.

Really? What disaster would befall if the measles virus were to be rendered extinct?

 

[two sheds]

Hedgehogs eat slugs, they had a field day in my garden one year when there was a bumper crop of slugs and snails available.

There is no point in looking at things as if they are not interdependent systems.

although as I recall it's not actually good for hedgehogs to eat too many slugs.

I don't really object to killing other animals for food or preservation, it's the killing them for profit I don't like - or killing them because it would damage profits to take measures to preserve them.

 

[8ball]

They are mostly just looking for excuses they can convince themselves with as to why they dont need the vaccine, for numerous possible reasons.

Yep. Reason as far as the conclusion you wanted to get to, then stop thinking immediately.

 

[8ball]

Really? What disaster would befall if the measles virus were to be rendered extinct?

We've rendered a shitload of species extinct and have so far got away with a lot.
We know we're likely to run into deep shit sooner or later, though.

The viriome stuff is much newer. Might be that nixing measles has no consequence but I'm not sure we understand enough to know where the pressure points might be.

 

[elbows]

Really? What disaster would befall if the measles virus were to be rendered extinct?

Viruses etc have ended up shaping human evolution and progress to various extents. They certainly havent managed to keep the human population down to levels that would limit the threat we pose.

But Im not really into all manner of the dodgy political directions that such ideas can be taken in. Theres a lot of progress Im rather a fan of, though its a shame we couldnt have done a better job in so many ways. We are poor custodians of the planet, but that isnt going to turn me into a raging misanthrope, eugenicist etc.

 

[NoXion]

We've rendered a shitload of species extinct and have so far got away with a lot.
We know we're likely to run into deep shit sooner or later, though.

The viriome stuff is much newer. Might be that nixing measles has no consequence but I'm not sure we understand enough to know where the pressure points might be.

There are viruses which specifically attack bacteria and leave eukaryotic cells well enough alone. There's good reason to think that such bacteriophages will be useful for saving our bacon as antibiotic resistance spreads. So while I can agree that even viruses (in general) can have their place in a human-centred biosphere, I still struggle to find within me any desire to preserve the pathogenic ones.

 

[8ball]

There are viruses which specifically attack bacteria and leave eukaryotic cells well enough alone. There's good reason to think that such bacteriophages will be useful for saving our bacon as antibiotic resistance spreads. So while I can agree that even viruses (in general) can have their place in a human-centred biosphere, I still struggle to find it within me to find any desire to preserve the pathogenic ones.

It's hard to see how things could play out, but even in terms of pathogenic viruses, you could make some analogies to the progress we have made in medicine by harnessing or emulating the action of very harmful plant species.

 

[elbows]

 

[8ball]

In which case I have questions about the popularity of Strictly.

 

[BigMoaner]

dont worry about Bro Rogan. he only has 200 million downloads a month.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It seemed at first, that John O'Looney had seen the light.

He was due to appear at the 'Freedom Rally' event in Milton Keynes last Wednesday, alongside fellow anti-vaxxer Piers Corbyn, where protesters stormed a pantomime and NHS test site. But O'Looney could not attend after being struck down with COVID last month and hospitalised.

In a written statement to his followers, shared last Friday, he admitted the virus was “an enemy to face”.

He wrote: "I was initially sceptical about COVID but I can confirm its validity and it is very nasty.”

But, then...

O'Looney, from Milton Keynes, remained sceptical about vaccines despite his stay in hospital, questioning the need for “endless bouts of injections”.

He claimed doctors offered him a trial drug to help him recover but he "declined and stuck to my guns" before discharging himself against doctors' advice.

Leading anti-vaxxer finally admits COVID is real after being taken to ICU with virus

Funeral director John O'Looney, 53, had claimed coronavirus was 'just a common cold'.

www.aol.co.uk

 

[magneze]

Also in that link, Piers Corbyn fire breathing video ...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Finally there's been one arrest over the attack on the Milton Keynes testing centre, I am surprised it's only one so far, considering the amount of video footage, and in particular I am amazed they haven't arrested that grinning woman yet.

A man has been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage after an anti-vaccination protest.
Dozens of protesters entered a NHS Test and Trace centre and at a theatre in Milton Keynes on 29 December.
A 58-year-old man from Brackley, Northants, also arrested on suspicion of violent disorder and assaulting an emergency worker, has since been released under investigation.

Covid: Man arrested over Milton Keynes test centre anti-vax protest

Signs were damaged, equipment was dismantled and public order incidents took place, say police.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[existentialist]

Finally there's been one arrest over the attack on the Milton Keynes testing centre, I am surprised it's only one so far, considering the amount of video footage, and in particular I am amazed they haven't arrested that grinning woman yet.

Covid: Man arrested over Milton Keynes test centre anti-vax protest

Signs were damaged, equipment was dismantled and public order incidents took place, say police.

www.bbc.co.uk

Par for the course, I think. They'll either rely on the arrested man dobbing in his accomplices, accidentally or otherwise, or they're just mopping up the vandals as they get IDs on them by other means. I imagine that most of these twats probably aren't known to police, so IDing them might be a more involved process than it might otherwise be.

 

[two sheds]

I'm surprised if the woman particularly hasn't been recognized and reported by someone.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'm surprised if the woman particularly hasn't been recognized and reported by someone.

Exactly, her picture was all over the place, social media, news sites & the TV news, yet a week on, still no arrest, weird.

 

[_Russ_]

TBF, when I watched the video it took me a while to conclude it was a women, though Im sure Id recognise it if i'd seen it before

 

[two sheds]

Yep I thought it was a bloke when I watched it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It seemed at first, that John O'Looney had seen the light.



But, then...

Leading anti-vaxxer finally admits COVID is real after being taken to ICU with virus

Funeral director John O'Looney, 53, had claimed coronavirus was 'just a common cold'.

www.aol.co.uk

O'Looney, lol.

 

[rekil]

I'm surprised if the woman particularly hasn't been recognized and reported by someone.

Bit suspicious that she was wearing a scarf. #falseflag #ratherbarfthanscarf #no2neckmuzzles

 

[Cloo]

Be interested to hear what all the 'The "variants" are just excuses to imprison in us in our homes again!' crew have to say about the fact that the government has made no moves whatsoever to curtail movement around Omicron despite it producing the highest number of infections yet. I mean, there it was, in front of them, a 'concerning' 'super infectious' strain of COVID, and the government didn't take the opportunity of shutting everything down again? An open goal for their nefarious plans, surely? You'd almost think they hate paying furlough and don't like not getting business revenue in.

 

[BigMoaner]

Be interested to hear what all the 'The "variants" are just excuses to imprison in us in our homes again!' crew have to say about the fact that the government has made no moves whatsoever to curtail movement around Omicron despite it producing the highest number of infections yet. I mean, there it was, in front of them, a 'concerning' 'super infectious' strain of COVID, and the government didn't take the opportunity of shutting everything down again? An open goal for their nefarious plans, surely? You'd almost think they hate paying furlough and don't like not getting business revenue in.

confusion/reframe/confusion/reframe/confusion/reframe/confusion/reframe/
confusion/reframe/

i.e. just move the goal posts. no integrity in the worst of them.

 

[elbows]

Hedgehogs eat slugs, they had a field day in my garden one year when there was a bumper crop of slugs and snails available.

There is no point in looking at things as if they are not interdependent systems.

Perhaps I shouldnt have mentioned hedgehogs!

 

[farmerbarleymow]

In France, but near enough. Bridget Bardot seems to have a novel take on why she can't have the vaccine.

On Thursday, it was revealed Bardot was among those facing Macron’s ire: the 87-year-old actor said she had not been vaccinated as she was “allergic to all chemical substances”.

French MPs pass controversial Covid vaccine bill with large majority

Bill to restrict restaurant, theatre and other access to vaccinated follows Macron’s pledge to ‘piss off’ those without jabs

www.theguardian.com