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Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

My friend (medical journalist) was telling me his SIL is an anti-vaxxer. She got in touch the other day to ask if they could talk about her concerns about the vaccination. He sensed she was softening her stance so agreed.

They spent ages going through every one of her anti-vaxx concerns -- as he answered one, she'd move on to some other random shit -- and at the end, she said she still wasn't going to get it as she 'just had a feeling the vaccination is bad'. :rolleyes:

As he said, you can use all the reason you like but some people will just believe complete bollocks whatever.
 
editor said:
Apols for the shitty Mail link

https:// . uk/news /article-10318781/Fury-government-refuses-reveal-details-Omicron-victim-LBC-caller-says-anti-vaxxer.html
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The following is not a complaint directed at you for pointing us towards the news story in question....

What a transparent, shit agenda the Mail demonstrates there. Part of their 'dont worry about Omicron' series of public health crimes.
 
Sue said:
My friend (medical journalist) was telling me his SIL is an anti-vaxxer. She got in touch the other day to ask if they could talk about her concerns about the vaccination. He sensed she was softening her stance so agreed.

They spent ages going through every one of her anti-vaxx concerns -- as he answered one, she'd move on to some other random shit -- and at the end, she said she still wasn't going to get it as she 'just had a feeling the vaccination is bad'. :rolleyes:

As he said, you can use all the reason you like but some people will just believe complete bollocks whatever.
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yeah their position is demonstratively stating they not really open to reason on this matter. if "global scientific consensus" or having just a little faith in experts who this is their bread and butter is not enough, then i doubt anything will be until they decide within it's time to consider change their minds.
 
krtek a houby said:
Another mate on Facebook gone for the rabbit hole... so fucking depressing
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Think of it as a form of triage. It makes it a lot easier to decide who's actually worth being friends with, if you factor in their loonspud tendencies.

I have a loonspud friend, but I'm treating it as a bit of a project. I'm pointedly avoiding any appearance of "converting" him, but he notices me - pointedly - switch off when he starts down that track, and I usually try and take some valid fragment of what he's saying, and compare-and-contrast it to my position, while - also pointedly - not in any way suggesting that he is wrong, just that it's another way of looking at things. Unfortunately, the relatives who seem to have filled his head with this stuff in the first place are busily topping it up, so I don't anticipate much progress. But I know that another mate of his, also very much not a vaccine sceptic, is applying some pressure, too. We'll get him over the line, eventually.
 
existentialist said:
Think of it as a form of triage. It makes it a lot easier to decide who's actually worth being friends with, if you factor in their loonspud tendencies.

I have a loonspud friend, but I'm treating it as a bit of a project. I'm pointedly avoiding any appearance of "converting" him, but he notices me - pointedly - switch off when he starts down that track, and I usually try and take some valid fragment of what he's saying, and compare-and-contrast it to my position, while - also pointedly - not in any way suggesting that he is wrong, just that it's another way of looking at things. Unfortunately, the relatives who seem to have filled his head with this stuff in the first place are busily topping it up, so I don't anticipate much progress. But I know that another mate of his, also very much not a vaccine sceptic, is applying some pressure, too. We'll get him over the line, eventually.
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5 of them now.

Been mates for years.

Just have to count to ten/bite tongue and accept that this is where they at currently.
 
krtek a houby said:
5 of them now.

Been mates for years.

Just have to count to ten/bite tongue and accept that this is where they at currently.
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as said way back my best mate since 5, best man at his wedding etc, his last message in our mates' group chat was "if you get that poison in your arm, i will never speak with you or your family again".

he's lost nearly all of his mates to this.

he blocked us all, or we blocked him, and i spent the first year or so of the pandemic spying on the groups he was part of etc and couldn't keep my eyes off it - the amount of relentless, never ending lunacy, far right drift and just sheer narcisitic fervour from the grifters etc. it was spell binding tbh.

he turned into this from a fairly normal bloke to this in a period of about a month. he was texting us things like "baaaaaaaa" when we said we were concerned about vulnerable people etc.

he was completly and utterly convinced and beyond any talk of it.
 
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there's a tanning shop round the corner and they put up a massive poster obvisiouly making a big point "Vaccinnne passports not needed here." then a week of omincon and it was down and they now have a "please social distance" sign up. someones either won the argument and changed them or someone's got the fear.
 
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