Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[8ball]

Birds of a feather etc

I might be misinterpreting, but I haven’t ostacised anyone. Lots of people here have relatives, friends and other loved ones who have been sucked in by this shit.

I’m not over-interpreting - I think it’s just dumb luck on my count. I don’t envy them.

 

[mx wcfc]

I’m actually pretty surprised in that no one I know, not a single one, including my Dad who is really right-wing, have come out with anything to alienate me.

If anything, I think I’m on the side of being less cautious (being happy to forego a mask outdoors unless really crowded etc.).

I don’t even have any idiotic Facebook friends. Not so much as a significantly mask-sceptic person, let alone an anti-vaxxer.

I seem to live in a bubble of people who are either very sensible or imo a little over-cautious.

Yeah,me too. Don't know any anti-vax people at all.

There was a younger colleague who didn't get vaxxed as quick as he could have done, cos of queues at walk up places, but I told him on a call to just go and get it in work hours. He didn't and got covid, (young fit bloke - he was OK)

But apart from that, nothing. Everyone I know is very much "get vaxed so we can all get on with life" even my tory family.

 

[8ball]

Yeah,me too. Don't know any anti-vax people at all.

There was a younger colleague who didn't get vaxxed as quick as he could have done, cos of queues at walk up places, but I told him on a call to just go and get it in work hours. He didn't and got covid, (young fit bloke - he was OK)

But apart from that, nothing. Everyone I know is very much "get vaxed so we can all get on with life" even my tory family.

Well, a young lad in good shape, I can understand that.

I know my Dad has loads of mates who come out with crazy shit to him all the time. He’s shown solid judgement thorougout though, probably a little over-paranoid given his risk tolerance in other areas.

I just wish he had such a good bullshit detector when it came to politics generally.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

"we will not comply" is apparently trending on teh tweeter.

i have turned it off for the night...

 

[8ball]

"we will not comply" is apparently trending on teh tweeter.

i have turned it off for the night...

If these cunts would refuse to comply with something actually worth not complying with we might begin to get somewhere.

 

[LDC]

A more nuanced and thoughtful political take on some of this type of thing....

Conspiracy and Social Struggle • Ill Will

Wu Ming on conspiracism, the Green Pass, and the shape of social rupture to come.

illwill.com

 

[StoneRoad]

Last night (!) we had a guy cone to do something with our satellite dish ... this was after the sky guy point blank refused to do the job (excuse was "wrong ladder" !)

He was a real live conspiraloon and came out with a lot of the standard bullsh1te.
including the vaccines change your dna & tracking chips.
A certain amount of diplomatic silences were given (being dark, he couldn't see / detect the eye-rolling)
But we kept our masks on and washed hands after dealing with the odds & sods.

 

[two sheds]

Did you tell him you relied on your dish for your ultra-strong 5G signal?

 

[StoneRoad]

Did you tell him you relied on your dish for your ultra-strong 5G signal?

No, I was too busy trying not to laugh at his stream of CTs and general loospudery.

Assumption : He's one of the less than 8% around here who've not been jagged.
That makes three individuals I have actually identified ...
Even the school kids have more sense and are getting vaccinated.

 

[elbows]

Last night (!) we had a guy cone to do something with our satellite dish ... this was after the sky guy point blank refused to do the job (excuse was "wrong ladder" !)

He was a real live conspiraloon and came out with a lot of the standard bullsh1te.
including the vaccines change your dna & tracking chips.
A certain amount of diplomatic silences were given (being dark, he couldn't see / detect the eye-rolling)
But we kept our masks on and washed hands after dealing with the odds & sods.

Years ago I nearly died laughing at work when it turned out that a colleagues dad, who had a small company in Spain providing installation of satellite dishes for internet access, believed in flat earth theories! A belief that was laughably incompatible with the orbits required to make his products work.

 

[killer b]

"we will not comply" is apparently trending on teh tweeter.

i have turned it off for the night...

I use a plugin called 'better twitter' which removes the trending topics altogether. it's a much improved user experience.

 

[platinumsage]

Interesting and rather familiar conspiracy theory noted in the Greville memoirs on cholera, published 1831:

 

[scalyboy]

In the train toilet on the way back from Canterbury today. The last one says : Wake up, rise up. Do not comply - not sure if it's the same person or even a covid denier type who did that one. Unfortunately I didn't have anything on me to deal with this (marker or stickers for example). Also saw some Maoist stuff scratched into the wall of the toilet compartment, don't think it was the same person though (just said: read Lenin, Mao and Marx, with a hammer and sickle symbol):

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"RESEARCH"

I love how we're the ones who have unquestioningly swallowed the Big Lie via the MSM (rather than carefully weighing up the likelihood of a massive global hoax that millions of people would have to be in on, and critically evaluating sources) whereas the antivax loons are Awake because they believe some old shite they saw on a mate's Facebook.

 

[LDC]

Interesting and rather familiar conspiracy theory noted in the Greville memoirs on cholera, published 1831:

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I'm in the process of editing a bit of writing that's about the cholera epidemic of that era and similarities with today, and the 'conspiracy stuff' was widespread back then, and not without some justification. Here's an excerpt...

"Today these would be called conspiracy theories, but in 1831-2 they have significant basis in fact. In late 1824 two Liverpool men, convicted of digging up bodies for dissection, are defended by a prominent doctor Rathbone.⁠ In October 1826, the Liverpool Mercury describes in an article called ‘Wholesale Resurrectionists’ the discovery of thirty-three dead bodies, eleven in casks labelled ‘Bitter Salts’ on the Liverpool docks, awaiting shipment to Scotland, and more, including those of babies, in a cellar under a school. In November, the Liverpool Mercury reports ‘Another Discovery of Dead Bodies’ in similar circumstances. In 1827 in Liverpool Dr. William Gill is tried for possessing bodies stolen from a cemetery. In 1828 two Irish immigrants in Edinburgh are found to have murdered sixteen people to supply Dr Robert Knox with cadavers for his anatomy lectures. One of the Irishmen, Burke, is hanged; the doctor is not prosecuted. In 1832 the Medical Gazette reports the sale of cholera bodies “on an industrial scale” in London for medical training. The population is religious, and believes in the sanctity of the body and Christian burial. Confronted with these ‘anatomy riots’, the medical establishment defends exhumation of corpses on scientific grounds."

 

[editor]

So I got a response from the guy writing the obit.

He's still sticking with the opening line, "Last Sunday after getting home from the receiving the vaccine booster shot our dear friend & colleague **** collapsed & died" but then adds - right at the end - "+++ had suffering with COPD health trouble for sometime. His coroner’s reports stated an issue with his heart finally took him."

To me that just reads like he's doubling down on the anti-vaxx crap (the heart attack after the vaccine is their latest obsession) and this is my response to him:

I've now shown this to three journalist friends and they've all said the same thing - which is along the lines of 'why is he using the death of his friend to pursue an anti-vaxx agenda?'

There is literally no reason to mention the fact that he had a booster jab anywhere in the article, least of all in the opening paragraph. Unless you have medical proof that it was responsible for his death, you may as well say that he'd been shopping.

I fear you're too far down the rabbit hole to realise what you're doing here - trust me, it's not good - but we both know exactly how your words will be used by anti-vaxxers and I'm not prepared to let Brixton Buzz be used as a source for such an obvious manipulation of the truth.

Opinions?

 

[Sue]

So I got a response from the guy writing the obit.

He's still sticking with the opening line, "Last Sunday after getting home from the receiving the vaccine booster shot our dear friend & colleague **** collapsed & died" but then adds - right at the end - "+++ had suffering with COPD health trouble for sometime. His coroner’s reports stated an issue with his heart finally took him."

To me that just reads like he's doubling down on the anti-vaxx crap (the heart attack after the vaccine is their latest obsession) and this is my response to him:



Opinions?

I think your position and response are completely fair enough. And yeah, he is.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Opinions?

I think you're doing well to restrain yourself from just calling him a cunt and getting someone else to do it tbh.

 

[LDC]

I think he's not very subtly trying to make some anti-vax point, and I suspect he's doing that with the 'heart' bit at the end as well as that's one of the anti-vax positions they're going on about (all the footballers 'collapsing' stuff for example).

But to be honest the whole thing about mentioning how they died (COPD, heart, etc., inc. mentioning the coroner's report) is a little bit weird. Isn't an obit just supposed to say something meaningful about them and their life, and be nice generally, not "LynnDoyleCooper died yesterday screaming in a terrible roller-coaster accident. The coroner said his intestines were ripped out of his arse by centrifugal force and that was the ultimate cause of death. RIP."

 

[High Voltage]

LynnDoyleCooper

So sorry to hear about your tragic accident / death - thoughts and prayers etc

Truly missed

 

[LDC]

I had my booster shot the morning before we did loop the loop. Just saying....

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

LynnDoyleCooper

So sorry to hear about your tragic accident / death - thoughts and prayers etc

Truly missed

He might claim to have died in a terrible roller-coaster accident, but I reckon it's the vaccine wot got him.

 

[nogojones]

"LynnDoyleCooper died yesterday screaming in a terrible roller-coaster accident. The coroner said his intestines were ripped out of his arse by centrifugal force and that was the ultimate cause of death. RIP."

"but we also note that he had recently received his booster shot"

 

[High Voltage]

Makes you think

And this is how conspiracy theories start

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I also heard that accounts of his death might actually be fake news, and that 'they' will claim that the booster jab saved his life after the terrible accident. I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I think it's clear he's not very subtlety trying to make some anti-vax point, and I suspect he's doing that with the 'heart' bit at the end as well as that's one of the anti-vax positions they're going on about (all the footballers 'collapsing' stuff for example).

But to be honest the whole thing about mentioning how they died (COPD, heart, etc., inc. mentioning the coroner's report) is a little bit weird. Isn't an obit just supposed to says something meaningful about them and their life, and be nice generally, not "LynnDoyleCooper died yesterday screaming in a terrible roller-coaster accident. The coroner said his intestines were ripped out of his arse by centrifugal force and that was the ultimate cause of death. RIP."

Yeah, you’re supposed to offer some kind words not a second autopsy and certainly not one pushing an agenda.

 

[editor]

I think you're doing well to restrain yourself from just calling him a cunt and getting someone else to do it tbh.

I'm quietly furious to be honest but it is fast approaching defriend point.

 

[emanymton]

Yeah, you’re supposed to offer some kind words not a second autopsy and certainly not one pushing an agenda.

Yeah it should be about their life, not their death.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I'm quietly furious to be honest but it is fast approaching defriend point.

It's easy to sit here and call people cunts (as I obviously just did) but it's quite upsetting when it's people you know and care about in real life getting sucked into this shit isn't it.

 

[editor]

It's easy to sit here and call people cunts (as I obviously just did) but it's quite upsetting when it's people you know and care about in real life getting sucked into this shit isn't it.

Most of his output on FB is idiotic memes. He literally has no interest in reading - or 'researching' as they like to call it - anything that challenges his conspiraloon-tastic worldview because he knows the truth. And it's as depressing as fuck.

 

[spitfire]

Yes, going over the manner of passing in an obit is weird and potentially upsetting to family and friends. Launch the prick into the sun, get someone else to do it.