Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[LDC]

Why do you keep posting stuff that's incorrect about vaccines, mask usage, covid restrictions, etc? You keep doing it, then ignore any corrections, then come back and do it again. And you do the classic 'just concerns about' but there's obviously something bigger underlying all this for you.

 

[nogojones]

Too fucking right, can't believe you lot support medical apartheid, digital ID and descrimination based on having a jab that doesn't stop you getting it or transmitting it.

Don't usually comment on here, but this shows some true colours.

Medical apartheid. You fucking twat!

 

[LDC]

If having concerns about the short/medium and long term effects of the vaccines is a conspiracy, then you live in a strange world.

Those concerns and impacts get addressed all over the place by the NHS, WHO, JCVI, etc. and all the similar organizations across the world.

But you think watching some stuff on YouTube makes you better qualified to know more than them?

 

[Chilli.s]

Scared of an itty bitty needle

Some of my friends have gone down this "experimental untested vaccine" hole. Ironic when they used to hoover up lines of chang made in a bathtub in the jungle, gobble down pills with fuck knows what ingredients, smoke stuff smuggled in up someone's poop shoot.

 

[Griff]

Why do you keep posting stuff that's incorrect about vaccines, mask usage, covid restrictions, etc? You keep doing it, then ignore any corrections, then come back and do it again. And you do the classic 'just concerns about' but there's obviously something bigger underlying all

What do I post that's incorrect about vaccines? I have my own concerns as stated before, I'm hardly a rabid anti-vaxxer, yet having any kind of concerns makes me a nutter on here.

Bigger picture?

"But you think watching some stuff on Youtube..." Where does that come from?

 

[Sue]

How else would you describe it? Look at Austria.

A reasonable public health measure?

I don't fancy being locked up at home for being fit and healthy just gecause I haven't had a vaccine. Having police checking my 'status' isn't a good look.

At least you're posting on the right thread .

 

[Griff]

A reasonable public health measure?

Yeah, alright.

 

[existentialist]

What do I post that's incorrect about vaccines?

Everything you say about them is unmitigated bullshit. And that's before we get into the loaded language and dubious implications you peddle.

You may not be a "rabid antivaxxer", but you certainly walk and quack like one...

 

[Griff]

Everything you say about them is unmitigated bullshit. And that's before we get into the loaded language and dubious implications you peddle.

You may not be a "rabid antivaxxer", but you certainly walk and quack like one...

Everything I say? Loaded language? Dubious implications I peddle (I actually like that one )

Wow!

 

[Griff]

All this over a Welsh cinema.

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[existentialist]

All this over a Welsh cinema.

No. All this over a bunch of conspiranoid bullshit. The cinema thing is completely irrelevant.

You've been here long enough to know that nobody gets away with making sweeping claims like the ones you've made without being challenged to back it up. Which you patently haven't.

 

[cupid_stunt]

There's some pretty good arguments against 'vaccine passports' etc. and I'm totally sympathetic to them and don't have a clear position for or against tbh.

Same here, although if the choice is between them and closing venues again, I know which option I would take.

 

[killer b]

I don't think this is the best way to talk someone round if you think they're mistaken guys.

 

[Chilli.s]

I don't disagree with the cinema doing what it's done, I can avoid it, but it should be clear about it and its punters should mask up for their journey there and back home after. Super Spreader Cinema would be a good new name for it.

 

[existentialist]

I don't think this is the best way to talk someone round if you think they're mistaken guys.

There is rarely, if ever, any point trying to talk round someone taking this kind of position.

 

[Griff]

No. All this over a bunch of conspiranoid bullshit.

Where?

If showing medical pssses to do something 'normal' is 'conspirainoid bullshit' as in Austria then so be it.

 

[existentialist]

Where?

If showing medical pssses to do something 'normal' is 'conspirainoid bullshit' as in Austria then so be it.

Well, let's just start with your claim that the vaccine is ineffective, shall we?

 

[LDC]

"But you think watching some stuff on Youtube..." Where does that come from?

Where do you get your concerns about the vaccine from that haven't been addressed by a reputable medical organisation? What are the concerns you've not had an answer to? Specifically, not a vague 'possible long term issue' as an answer.

 

[Griff]

Well, let's just start with your claim that the vaccine is ineffective, shall we?

I said it doesn't stop you being infected or transmitting it.

I didn't use the word ineffective, you did.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I said it doesn't stop you being infected or transmitting it.

And, I pointed out it massively reduces the chance of getting it and transmitting it, but you ignored that.

It's all about reducing the risk to society and yourself.

 

[existentialist]

I said it doesn't stop you being infected or transmitting it.

I didn't use the word ineffective, you did.

Oh, you're that kind of idiot. You'll be reaching for dictionary definitions next

What you said was "...based on having a jab that doesn't stop you getting it or transmitting it"

The implication of what you were saying was clear: the vaccine has no point as far as managing the disease is concerned. Which is not exactly the full picture, is it?

 

[kabbes]

Why the willingness to accept the unmitigated presence in your body of an untested virus? That’s surely worse than a vaccine that is much, MUCH better understood than the virus is.

The choice isn’t really between having a vaccine or having nothing. It’s between having an unmitigated virus that is known to cause a cascade of immunological disasters, and having a mitigated virus whose effects are known to be heavily restricted post-vaccine.

 

[nogojones]

I don't think this is the best way to talk someone round if you think they're mistaken guys.

Na. Medical apartheid pushed me over the edge. I mean Nelson Mandela did 27 years on Robben Island because he was too stubborn to update his app when he went to see the new Star Wars film and Steve Biko was offed because he refused to wear a mask down Asda.

You push these sorts of comparisons and expect to be called out as a cunt

 

[killer b]

There are definitely issues with vaccine passports and similar restrictions which need thinking through, and it should be possible to challenge them without being accused of conspiracy thinking.

I found this twitter thread by the guy who runs Cafe Oto a pretty worthwhile and thought provoking read. Lots of people called him some sort of conspiracist or covid denier for just having this discussion.

 

[LDC]

There are definitely issues with vaccine passports and similar restrictions which need thinking through, and it should be possible to challenge them without being accused of conspiracy thinking.

Yeah, I agree, but this poster has form for all sorts of covid bollocks, so no surprise he's getting grief for 'just raising this concern'.

 

[Griff]

Na. Medical apartheid pushed me over the edge. I mean Nelson Mandela did 27 years on Robben Island because he was too stubborn to update his app when he went to see the new Star Wars film and Steve Biko was offed because he refused to wear a mask down Asda.

You push these sorts of comparisons and expect to be called out as a cunt

OK, I'm a cunt for not really wanting to show my vaccine status to go to the shops.

There, I admit it. Feel free to call me a cunt as much as you want.

 

[killer b]

Na. Medical apartheid pushed me over the edge. I mean Nelson Mandela did 27 years on Robben Island because he was too stubborn to update his app when he went to see the new Star Wars film and Steve Biko was offed because he refused to wear a mask down Asda.

You push these sorts of comparisons and expect to be called out as a cunt

It's a stretch, but there's also no denying that vaccine hesitancy is more prevalent in ethnic minority & immigrant communities, poor working class areas, etc.

 

[krtek a houby]

OK, I'm a cunt for not really wanting to show my vaccine status to go to the shops.

There, I admit it. Feel free to call me a cunt as much as you want.

Do you feel your freedoms are being curtailed?

 

[Chilli.s]

not really wanting to show my vaccine status to go to the shops

Luckily I guess you're in the UK and not some country that would send you to a camp, like apartheid might have done

Please mask up when you are in the shops, no mask removes other peoples choice, people who have to be there to work