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Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
take the police estimate and the organisers estimate and meet halfway
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Fined £10k too
www.theguardian.com
Piers Corbyn fined £10,000 for organising anti-lockdown rally
Brother of Jeremy Corbyn targeted under law restricting gatherings of more than 30 people
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Good thing he comes from money I guess
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Look at how many people are there, read in Socialist Worker how many people were there, make an appointment with opticians and/or go mad.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
There's a story behind this: who didn't give permission for this rally and why?Fined £10k too
Piers Corbyn fined £10,000 for organising anti-lockdown rally
Brother of Jeremy Corbyn targeted under law restricting gatherings of more than 30 people
To hold a big rally in Trafalgar Square you have to do 2 things:
1. Notify the police (if you don't they'll hear about a big rally like this and get in touch)
2. Get permission from the GLA, who manage the Square (if you don't know about this the police will tell you, although I'm sure that Corby or one of the other organisers did know). The GLA make you get public liability insurance before giving permission (costs a few hundred pounds).
Corbyn says in that article "he and other organisers had filled out all the necessary risk assessments and spent two weeks negotiating with Scotland Yard over the event." So he admits he's the organiser, but doesn't say he did have permission (which he presumably didn't have seeing as he was arrested and fined).
So did the police say no or Saddiq Khan?
If it was the police was it because they didn't want a big crowd of Covid deniers getting together and refusing to socially distance or because they didn't want this rally to go ahead (which I suspect the conspiraloons involved will think - after all, political rallies can be allowed under the new regulations and others have taken place, like yesterday's 'million person march').
If it was the Mayor/GLA was it because they didn't want the rally, or because they were worried about a lack of social distancing, or could they just not get insurance?
Or were the risk assessments not up to scratch? Or were Corbyn and the other organisers too pig headed or incompetent to sort out the paperwork and just went ahead anyway?
I don't care about this bunch of idiots, fantasists and fascists, and fuck Piers Corbyn and David Icke, but I am curious where it went wrong.
bimble
floofy
It’s the new Covid law, introduced last week the one a lot of people seem to wrongly believe only applies to ‘raves’, ten thousand pounds fine for gatherings of more than 30.
This will get interesting, this man fought back and won exemption on grounds of his rally being a political movement but corbyn didn’t.
Metropolitan police drop investigation into anti-racism protester
Force backs down, conceding Ken Hinds’ planned march was exempt from Covid rules
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
He said he intends to take it to court so we may have a fuller account in due course.
Meanwhile the Huffington Post has an extra quote from him:
"The order for my arrest appears to have come from on high, nothing to do with local police. When I asked the police, they said to me it came from on high. It was either the Greater London Authority or the government that indicated that me or somebody had to be arrested because they were clearly annoyed that we were getting so much success and publicity through the mainstream [media] such as [Russian state-backed media channel] Russia Today."
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I imagine they would say he has fallen foul of paragraph (iii) - though maybe he means to argue that all reasonable measures have been taken because none are necessary.
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020
These Regulations require the closure of businesses listed in Schedule 2, to protect against the risks to public health arising from coronavirus, except for limited permitted uses. They also impose restrictions on gatherings both inside and outside, of more than 30 people. The closures and...
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
Yeah, he's been done under the new regulations, but that isn't the whole story because, as you point out, the Million Man March did get the go ahead.It’s the new Covid law, introduced last week the one a lot of people seem to wrongly believe only applies to ‘raves’, ten thousand pounds fine for gatherings of more than 30.
This will get interesting, this man fought back and won exemption on grounds of his rally being a political movement but corbyn didn’t.
Metropolitan police drop investigation into anti-racism protester
Force backs down, conceding Ken Hinds’ planned march was exempt from Covid rules
I imagine it's this too - hard to argue you'll take all reasonable measures when the whole point of the 'we're dangerous crazies' march is that they object to those reasonable measures.
"It was THEM! Trying to SILENCE US! Watch Russia Today!"
when the express purpose of your event is to break health and safety regulations, I imagine acquiring public liability insurance is going to be trickier than usual.
lol at describing Russia Today as "mainstream media". that's showing up he's a really skewed perspective to the rest of the UK public there.
"(i)the gathering has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body, or a political body,"
which a loose bunch of crazies from Twitter with no coherent common political cause isn't going to cut it
lol at describing Russia Today as "mainstream media". that's showing up he's a really skewed perspective to the rest of the UK public there.
I think where Hinds has succeeded but Corbyn is going to fail is on the definitionIt’s the new Covid law, introduced last week the one a lot of people seem to wrongly believe only applies to ‘raves’, ten thousand pounds fine for gatherings of more than 30.
This will get interesting, this man fought back and won exemption on grounds of his rally being a political movement but corbyn didn’t.
Metropolitan police drop investigation into anti-racism protester
Force backs down, conceding Ken Hinds’ planned march was exempt from Covid rules
"(i)the gathering has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body, or a political body,"
which a loose bunch of crazies from Twitter with no coherent common political cause isn't going to cut it
bimble
floofy
Yep don’t think any mp’s kids birthday parties will get ten grand fines but according to the written law don’t see why not.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
If it was just Covid related it'd be bad, but not as worrying as it is with all the far and alt right, conspiracy theory, and anti-vax stuff alongside it. It's a potent and appealing mix for many people, is growing globally, and is not something we can afford to just laugh at unfortunately.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
The abuse of power over the poor by the rich, in a time when left-wing arguments have been so discredited in the eyes of many (by those with the money and power) is partly behind the growth in popularity of such dangerous nonsense. If the worker's power has been so eroded, against a backdrop of constant panic-mongering by the ruling class, I think that the seeds have been sown for 'the hidden truth' to appeal to a growing audience.
So, piss-taking is obviously important here, but we also need to understand that people have been deceived, and that they may be otherwise well-meaning. Not, I hasten to add, at the top of this charade i.e. the likes of Icke who are manipulating and hurting people. It's a deplorable situation when people have been taken in to the extent that they are protesting for their 'freedom' to hurt themselves and others.
So, piss-taking is obviously important here, but we also need to understand that people have been deceived, and that they may be otherwise well-meaning. Not, I hasten to add, at the top of this charade i.e. the likes of Icke who are manipulating and hurting people. It's a deplorable situation when people have been taken in to the extent that they are protesting for their 'freedom' to hurt themselves and others.
editor
hiraethified
Just look at the parade of idiots masquerading as medical experts
www.thelondoneconomic.com
Who were the so-called ‘top doctors and nurses’ that addressed the anti-Covid measures demo as global death toll reaches 843K?
If Covid19 can indeed be cured by tonic water as claimed, let’s hope there’s also a cure for stupid.
www.thelondoneconomic.com
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
This is a good line though
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Just look at the parade of idiots masquerading as medical experts
Who were the so-called ‘top doctors and nurses’ that addressed the anti-Covid measures demo as global death toll reaches 843K?
If Covid19 can indeed be cured by tonic water as claimed, let’s hope there’s also a cure for stupid.
Glad to see they've struck a doctor and nurse off their registers over this.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Just look at the parade of idiots masquerading as medical experts
Who were the so-called ‘top doctors and nurses’ that addressed the anti-Covid measures demo as global death toll reaches 843K?
If Covid19 can indeed be cured by tonic water as claimed, let’s hope there’s also a cure for stupid.
"Natural healing consultant"
tony.c
Well-Known Member
30 arrested yesterday.
www.independent.co.uk
Conspiracy theorists clash with police at anti-lockdown protest
Crowd cheers as speaker claims that coronavirus is ‘made up’ as cases rise
www.independent.co.uk
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
That's an oxymoron, the natural way is just to suffer until you recover on your own or die. It works if you've got a cold but tends to be ineffective against a knife wound."Natural healing consultant"
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
is there no part of that you agree with?
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