oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
But I'm not asking myself what you mean. I'm asking you.
Curfew For Men
- Thread starter Orang Utan
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Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
I think the mixed messages thing boils down to.
She's fit and I think I saw her checking me out.
Cor she is dancing in a way that I find attractive in my general vicinity
what do you mean you're not interested!
Why are you sending me mixed messages?
She's fit and I think I saw her checking me out.
Cor she is dancing in a way that I find attractive in my general vicinity
what do you mean you're not interested!
Why are you sending me mixed messages?
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SheilaNaGig
Break requested
You said:
the guy may pursue the woman but because she wants nothing more she feels harassed
In other words, if she changes her mind, or if she feels that the guy has pushed her out of the comfort zone, she feels harassed.
Right?
She feels harassed.
Because she’s been harassed.
Stop harassing women who are dancing drunk ffs! Just don’t do it. Then she won’t feel harassed, because you haven’t harassed her.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Well yes...
Neither would a commercial plane without baggage being checked, in an ideal world we wouldn't have to worry about terrorists trying to blow up planes but it's the reality we face.
Women should not suffer these issues but a curfew would discriminate against men, flying in the face of equality.
The message that seems to be out there at the minute is that men are bad, creepy and pervy, in truth we like to look at women and that won't change as we are sexual creatures but we are not looking to rape women (not all of us anyway).
As awful as what happened last week I think the sad truth is that it will be forgotten about next month when places reopen, people are fickle and move on quickly.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Jesus suffering christ...
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Thank you for that wonderful insite.
Now I think it might be time to take your sexual creature out behind the woodshed and give it the old yeller treatment it that's the best you can do.
I understand you don't agree with my comments, just a perspective different than yours, sadly the woke liberals will take this over with "male privilege" like they did with "white privilege" with the BLM movement, more things to divide people than bring them together.
Anyway that's going off topic, have a nice day.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
So yeah, men are sexual creatures (like women are not? Or maybe in your book we are just teasing, flirting, fickle creatures?). They just can't help themselves being predatory and creepy, even filming themselves forcing sex with underage girls and posting it online.
And equality is really important when it bothers men?
And we should all shut up about it, is effectively what you're saying.
You are part of the problem, with attitudes like that
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Says all we need to know about this poster.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Yes my perspective is different from yours but than doesn't automatically make the perspectives even.
Dangerous Dave who has the collection of baby heads on spikes has a different opinion than me but we don't just agree to disagree.
If the opinions you hold are the same ones used to excuse abhorrent behaviour or try to claim that these things are just the ways things are and that we can't change then you need to change because otherwise you ARE being the reason why it's difficult to change.
At the fucking least if you can't be part of the solution don't remain part of the problem.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
I was just thinking how much this reminded me of that other issue.
The concept of 'walking while black' is a mirror to 'walking while female'
bimble
floofy
Athos
Well-Known Member
I'm not going to unpack all of this (because there's so much wrong with it), but maybe you've inadvertently stumbled on a small practical step we could take as men - club nights with a ground rule that men won't approach women. Where, if women want to speak to or dance with a man, they'll say so (and you leave them alone unless and until they do).
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Maybe instead of the curfew all women when they get to, say 14 or so years old, should get some training in using a Tazer and then they get one given to them (maybe with some safety feature that makes it only usable by them, sure the tech exists) and they then have an immunity from all prosecution for using it on any men?
trashpony
Hag
For all the blokes saying ‘oh this would never work’, if they hadn’t found out what had happened to sarah everard, that’s exactly what women would be told to do. Women were told to stay home when the Yorkshire ripper was at large and when the Cambridge one was.
no one has ever said ‘oh that would never work’. It’s acceptable to curtail women’s freedom
Orang Utan - I copied a Facebook post from my friend who has a 16 year old daughter on the sofa thread. Your experiences are not uncommon.
no one has ever said ‘oh that would never work’. It’s acceptable to curtail women’s freedom
Orang Utan - I copied a Facebook post from my friend who has a 16 year old daughter on the sofa thread. Your experiences are not uncommon.
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Athos
Well-Known Member
Women have historically been advised to stay in, which is different from being prevented from going out. But I don't think it makes much sense to get drawn into how it would work in practice, because nobody is seriously suggesting it (for obvious civil liberties reasons) - it's just a jumping-off point for a necessary discussion. Which, quite rightly, looks to shift the burden (for women not being attacked) from women and onto men.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
This is what I’m getting flashbacks about and depressed at how little things have changed in 40 years
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
This puts the responsibility back on women. It sounds a lot like my mother in law who insists that 'in my day we just slapped men' and doesn't understand why that's not really workable or desirable.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
I would love to hear from the men of urban what it is they’re going to do about this. A curfew isn’t going to happen in reality, nor are silly ideas about women tasering men, so it’s pointless talking about it. But perhaps men could tell us what they will be doing differently from now on, to help change things. Male violence is women’s problem because we are victim to it, but it’s men’s problem to ultimately resolve. So what are you going to do next?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
As a rhetorical provocation, this curfew idea strikes me as being very ill-conceived. Like, I'm sure that it sounds like great rhetoric to people already on board. But I think it falls flat when it comes to convincing the people who need it the most. A curfew for all men sounds like collective punishment, no?
Also, curfews in general are a favoured tool of authoritarian dickheads. I think it's a blunder.
Also, curfews in general are a favoured tool of authoritarian dickheads. I think it's a blunder.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I mean that is a wonderful idea but I feel obliged to mansplain that all snakes are venomous.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Curfew for men? File it under "what did you think was going to happen".
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
That eternal victim the middle aged white male is already up in arms about it even though it's pretty clearly not going to happen and is just a thought experiment at this point. But then asking men to think is always worse than expecting women to suffer and die.
I'm really not sure what I can do, other than reflect on my own behaviours and call out sexist attitudes from male friends. If I had male children I could be careful to teach them to respect women.
But I'm not really sure how much of a big difference that could make. If we're talking about safety for women on the streets after dark, it makes me think that the risk there is from violent predatory types who would hang around in the dark to attack isolated women for their own gratification - I guess this extreme end of behaviour is linked to and enabled by wider social attitudes, but it's quite a lot more difficult to see how I could have any effect on it compared to the more everyday sexism of entitlement and low level harassment which is a lot more relatable. I don't feel like anyone I associate with is likely to be a predatory killer or rapist, at least not the sort of rapist who hangs around at night opportunistically looking for victims, and it doesn't seem like this kind of person is really going to give a shit about what social attitudes are either.
Apologies if I've missed the point entirely here, just genuinely not sure about how I can make a difference.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I think if the intention of this "thought experiment" was to try reaching such people, then it's an abject failure. The perceived collective punishment aspect is a powerful trigger for defensive moods. Not contemplative ones. I know, logically speaking there's no grounds for it, but we're not dealing with a realm of pure logic, are we?
Side note, I'm so glad I recently knocked Twitter on the head.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Just fuck off.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Not true. The majority of snakes are clinically non-venomous to humans but may produce toxins venomous to their prey. Boas, Pythons, and some other constrictors produce no bite-delivered toxins and so are genuinely non-venomous.
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