Curfew For Men

[ManchesterBeth]

Well yes your not.

Ehhhh.

 

[killer b]

No, you're wrong. I read part of the thread. Excuse the pedantry.

incredibly, we've covering different stuff now, on page 19, than we were at the start of the thread. You're arguing with yesterday.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

it's not supposed to. it's simply asking 'what would it be like for women if men couldn't go out at night', nothing more or less.

But men will go out at night to enforce the curfew. Unless you want to have a mass recruitment of female police officers to increase gender parity.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

A curfew is violently policed. We had one in turkey from 1980-83. after the military junta. Curfews aren't thought experiments for party hacks, they have serious consequences and are not put to democratic votes.

 

[killer b]

But men will go out at night to enforce the curfew. Unless you want to have a mass recruitment of female police officers to increase gender parity.

you've completely misunderstood the point of the thread, and we aren't even talking about that anymore. seriously can you piss off.

 

[Edie]

Your thought experiment is logically inconsistent. By banning men in your hypothetical scenario you also ban cottaging. From there it's just a greater step to empowering police officers to be homophobic. GiT GuD

Your response is ‘but what about the men who can’t have sex’. Jfc

 

[kabbes]

A curfew is violently policed. We had one in turkey from 1980-83. after the military junta. Curfews aren't thought experiments for party hacks, they have serious consequences and are not put to democratic votes.

Inform us then of your personal experiences and memories of 1980-83. That would be most helpful.

 

[trashpony]

I had a tight knit group of friends at university, mostly men - there was just me and one other woman in the group. I never had any reason to think any of them would sexually assault anyone. Years after we had finished, the other woman told me that one of them had raped her in our final year. She had never told anyone until me. She wouldn't report it. Anyway, based on that and other personal experiences, I think it's feasible that men don't always know their mates are rapists. It does seem statistically likely that many of them are, though. The trouble is, if they're bothering to hide their rapeyness, they know it's unacceptable. So how do we influence them?

The most rapey blokes I've come across are those who are central to their social group. So the guy who leads the Young Communists, the guy who is in charge of Extinction Rebellion at your university - those are the ones who use their power and position to abuse and assault women. And they know that - because of their power and position - the women are unlikely to be believed. After all, if most of the women want to fuck him because he's king of the student union, why would he want to rape a woman?

I view any man who seeks peer approval and aspires to lead with deep suspicion.

 

[The39thStep]

Least it ain't me being a do gooder.

I'm completely baffled as why you'd want to dismiss Orang Utan contribution as being a do-gooder? It's an open discussion in which he has made some suggestions. You can disagree with them, agree with them but if you haven't got any contribution to how women's safety can be improved rather than just label suggestions as do-gooders you can fuck off.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Your response is ‘but what about the men who can’t have sex’. Jfc

Yes, that was the tories response in the 80s. Are you aware of that? Stop promoting homosexuality because it perverts boys.

 

[Orang Utan]

Do-betterer

 

[ddraig]

Yes, that was the tories response in the 80s. Are you aware of that? Stop promoting homosexuality because it perverts boys.

Please please PLEASE read the thread and please stop the unhelpful whattaboutery

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I'm completely baffled as why you'd want to dismiss Orang Utan contribution as being a do-gooder? It's an open discussion in which he has made some suggestions. You can disagree with them, agree with them but if you haven't got any contribution to how women's safety can be improved rather than just label suggestions as do-gooders you can fuck off.

Not repeating the talking points of plod supporters for one. Seriously how tone deaf has this place become.

 

[Edie]

Yes, that was the tories response in the 80s. Are you aware of that? Stop promoting homosexuality because it perverts boys.

Stop attention seeking.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Wow. this thread is a hot take machine.

 

[bimble]

Do-betterer

I like this a lot.

 

[killer b]

Seriously how tone deaf has this place become.

is this satire?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Stop attention seeking.

Says the private school mother!

 

[ManchesterBeth]

is this satire?

Could be, yes.

 

[Edie]

Says the private school mother!

Im actually cringing for you, and won’t interact with you further.

 

[kabbes]

I had thought that the idea of a curfew for men was just an interesting diving-off point to open up discussion. But having seen the contributions each in their own particular way of oli_1_uk, cyril_smear and now dialectician, I’m beginning to think it has genuine appeal.

 

[bimble]

When the most recent post is by someone you’re ignoring, the whole thread disappears from the front page. That’s annoying.

dialectician relax, there’s not going to be a curfew.

 

[Orang Utan]

Im actually cringing for you, and won’t interact with you further.

let's all do this

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I had thought that the idea of a curfew for men was just an interesting diving-off point to open up discussion. But having seen the contributions each in their own particular way of oli_1_uk, cyril_smear and now dialectician, I’m beginning to think it has genuine appeal.

Says a cis man. You're the biggest hypocrite in the world, wouldn't be surprised if a woman comes out in the future alleging all kinds of things.

 

[BlanketAddict]

I read 5 pages and there were no proposals taken into account in the thought experiment. I'm not going to read all 18.

There was also a fair amount of discourse concerning a proposal that perhaps men should only approach/make the first move online, not actually in person.

File it in the daft idea along with curfewing men. Neither would do anything to tackle the very real issue of violence/ abusive behaviour by men towards women.

Aren't the vast majority of criminal acts against women perpetrated by men they already know, be it physical/sexual assault or worse? Essentially their husband/partner?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I had thought that the idea of a curfew for men was just an interesting diving-off point to open up discussion. But having seen the contributions each in their own particular way of oli_1_uk, cyril_smear and now dialectician, I’m beginning to think it has genuine appeal.

 

[kabbes]

Says a cis man. You're the biggest hypocrite in the world, wouldn't be surprised if a woman comes out in the future alleging all kinds of things.

I’m the biggest hypocrite in the world, he says. THE BIGGEST. You know that person you thought was a hypocrite? Yeah, even bigger than that.

Oh hang on, he doesn’t have a fucking clue who I am or anything about me. Other than that though, he must be right.

How are those memories of 1980-83 when “we” had a curfew coming on for you?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

When the most recent post is by someone you’re ignoring, the whole thread disappears from the front page. That’s annoying.

dialectician relax, there’s not going to be a curfew.

I never thought there was and even if there was I wouldn't care because I never go out at night in this miserable country anyway.

But thanks for thinking I'm a cretin.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I’m the biggest hypocrite in the world, he says. THE BIGGEST. You know that person you thought was a hypocrite? Yeah, even bigger than that.

Oh hang on, he doesn’t have a fucking clue who I am or anything about me. Other than that though, he must be right.

How are those memories of 1980-83 when “we” had a curfew coming on for you?

Pretty good actually, loads of police male on male rapes, bastinato and assassinations. Just another day at the races.

 

[killer b]

wouldn't be surprised if a woman comes out in the future alleging all kinds of things.

this actually isn't ok.