Curfew For Men

[ManchesterBeth]

Oh god what now

Your thought experiment is logically inconsistent. By banning men in your hypothetical scenario you also ban cottaging. From there it's just a greater step to empowering police officers to be homophobic. GiT GuD

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I'm on your side mate but this thought experiment is the biggest load of liberal please absolve me I'm a straight man wank ive read on this forum.

 

[polly]

Yeah...yet I wouldn't have a clue which ones.

I had a tight knit group of friends at university, mostly men - there was just me and one other woman in the group. I never had any reason to think any of them would sexually assault anyone. Years after we had finished, the other woman told me that one of them had raped her in our final year. She had never told anyone until me. She wouldn't report it. Anyway, based on that and other personal experiences, I think it's feasible that men don't always know their mates are rapists. It does seem statistically likely that many of them are, though. The trouble is, if they're bothering to hide their rapeyness, they know it's unacceptable. So how do we influence them?

 

[killer b]

I'm not sure this is a welcome interjection dialectician. wind it in love.

 

[Flavour]

I don't really have much useful to add to this thread, just that I think there needs to be a fuckton more education on these issues from a very young age and throughout childhood and adolescence -- cultural norms can be shifted but it takes a long time. The minority of guys who aren't lecherous and potentially dangerous all hanging out with each other in their echo chambers (of which, in a way, urban75 is one) doesn't help solve the problem of tackling the overwhelming majority of men who do give voice to misogynistic stuff both when women are around and (especially so) when they're not. On the one had we shouldn't go looking for opportunities to call it out, but we have to take those opportunities when they do arise.

 

[Winot]

Exactly...so few men on this thread have admitted to having mates with dodgy attitudes. And yet these men are everywhere...they gotta be someone's mate.

Not that many men have responded to the question. I did and I gave an honest response. ‘Admitted’ makes it sound as if we’re deliberately lying. I may be naive but I’m not a liar.

 

[Orang Utan]

Your thought experiment is logically inconsistent. By banning men in your hypothetical scenario you also ban cottaging. From there it's just a greater step to empowering police officers to be homophobic. GiT GuD

Getting a bit tired of your froth

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I'm not sure this is a welcome interjection dialectician. wind it in love.

Fair enough. If someone can tell me how this hypothetical curfew will be enforced without police though...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Getting a bit tired of your froth

Least it ain't me being a do gooder.

 

[Orang Utan]

Fair enough. If someone can tell me how this hypothetical curfew will be enforced without police though...

Play catch up on this thread first

 

[killer b]

Fair enough. If someone can tell me how this hypothetical curfew will be enforced without police though...

it's not a real thing so there's no need to plan how it would be enforced.

 

[Orang Utan]

Least it ain't me being a do gooder.

What’s the opposite?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Play catch up on this thread first

I read 5 pages and there were no proposals taken into account in the thought experiment. I'm not going to read all 18.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Your thought experiment is logically inconsistent. By banning men in your hypothetical scenario you also ban cottaging. From there it's just a greater step to empowering police officers to be homophobic. GiT GuD

Seriously, this is your take on it? After everything said on this and other threads over the last few days?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

it's not a real thing so there's no need to plan how it would be enforced.

Hence why I said hypothetical. I'm looking at the thought experiment on its own terms. It doesn't hold up.

 

[killer b]

Hence why I said hypothetical. I'm looking at the thought experiment on its own terms. It doesn't hold up.

it's not supposed to. it's simply asking 'what would it be like for women if men couldn't go out at night', nothing more or less.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It's not a thought experiment. It's a blood curdling, banshee scream of 'What the fuck will it take!' I am glad it has made so many men uncomfortable.

 

[Orang Utan]

I read 5 pages and there were no proposals taken into account in the thought experiment. I'm not going to read all 18.

Your words on here have no credence then

 

[The39thStep]

that's what A Good Night Out is for:

Good Night Out Campaign

www.goodnightoutcampaign.org

It leads to established popular clubs such as Village Underground to operate policies such as this:

About – Village Underground

About Village Underground is a renovated turn-of-the-century warehouse in the heart of Shoreditch, East London. Home to cutting-edge culture, clubbing and

www.villageunderground.co.uk

I'd support that

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Seriously, this is your take on it? After everything said on this and other threads over the last few days?

What. Do you want me to break down into tears and snuggle up to the council and old bill? I'm being honest. We can talk about rape without needing to have some absurd green party nonsense animating the conversation. If we do need it, then men have a long long long way to go, more than people on this thread would like to believe.

 

[bimble]

Please, don’t let ignored member take over the thread it was a good one (just catching up)

 

[8ball]

The minority of guys who aren't lecherous and potentially dangerous...

Wtf

 

[Orang Utan]

Please, don’t let ignored member take over the thread it was a good one (just catching up)

Good idea

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Your words on here have no credence then

Oh oh oh officer! You paying me to read all 18 pages then?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

If we do need it, then men have a long long long way to go, more than people on this thread would like to believe.

Isn't that the point we are wrestling with?

 

[killer b]

I think you should probably piss off tbh.

 

[Orang Utan]

What. Do you want me to break down into tears and snuggle up to the council and old bill? I'm being honest. We can talk about rape without needing to have some absurd green party nonsense animating the conversation. If we do need it, then men have a long long long way to go, more than people on this thread would like to believe.

Said he who won’t read the thread nor listen to anyone’s else’s opinions

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Isn't that the point we are wrestling with?

No.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

No.

Well yes your not.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Said he who won’t read the thread nor listen to anyone’s else’s opinions

No, you're wrong. I read part of the thread. Excuse the pedantry.