Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Dont know then. Hope all works out though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Good luck
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Schools remaining open in Tier 4. What fucking insanity. What was lockdown in March, then - equivalent of Tier 5?
Looby
Well-Known Member
Because sometimes it’s ok to wallow or feel crap even if other people have it much harder or it’s a FWP. Of course there are worse situations, of course other people are having very much harder lives right now. There shouldn’t be guilt for having/expressing those feelings piled onto everything else.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Fuck's sake yourself. I came here offering help for a different perspective, not a fucking argument.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
20Bees
Well-Known Member
Supermarkets will be open as usual, turkey and entertainment orders are coming in for collection from tomorrow. How many cancellations will remain to be seen.
Yesterday I served a Cambridge city GP who was teetering between rage and despair. He said cases in the city are out of control, though deaths are relatively low. The change to Tier 4 for the East of England includes Beds to the west and Herts to the south, but only Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the rest of the county remains in Tier 2 presumably because of its large rural Fenland areas.
Heard earlier that a friend’s teacher daughter’s partner, 40ish, has been very poorly with a collapsed lung and blood clot, he tested positive, starting to recover just as the rest of the family (two primary age kids), tested positive too.
Yesterday I served a Cambridge city GP who was teetering between rage and despair. He said cases in the city are out of control, though deaths are relatively low. The change to Tier 4 for the East of England includes Beds to the west and Herts to the south, but only Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the rest of the county remains in Tier 2 presumably because of its large rural Fenland areas.
Heard earlier that a friend’s teacher daughter’s partner, 40ish, has been very poorly with a collapsed lung and blood clot, he tested positive, starting to recover just as the rest of the family (two primary age kids), tested positive too.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
If you're in Tier 4, you're only supposed to travel abroad if it's classed as essential, which visiting family isn't. AFAIK, there's no exemption for foreign nationals if they are UK residents.
In other tiers, you are strongly discouraged from travelling abroad but you are allowed.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Can we make a big effort to be kinder please? A lot of people are hurting right now and people react in a lot of different ways to this. Ta. Much love urban x
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
I am not really in the habit of approaching the police voluntarily. The last time was about 3 years ago when I was a witness in a serious crime case. But those stupid people on the train probably need some firm feedback on their actions as you suggest (I wouldn't be bothered if they just want to shout the odds in the middle of a park or some other open space).
BTP seem conspicuous by their absence. Their chiefs would likely claim there aren't enough of them to go round and perhaps this is true. A paranoid side of me wonders whether the lack of consistent enforcement on public transport and in shops is not some attempt at herd immunity by stealth. Occam's Razor suggests simpler explanations such as government incompetence and the profit motive.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Belgium joins Holland...
news.sky.com
COVID-19: Italy, Austria, Belgium and Netherlands ban UK flights over new coronavirus strain fears
The Dutch ban will last until at least the end of 2020, while the Belgian order is only for 24 hours at the moment.
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Thank you for this. There's part of me that thinks I've no right to be unhappy at having the opportunity to see my folks for the first time in a year snatched away at the last minute when other people have got seriously ill and died. But having sympathy for them/protecting others from getting the virus and missing your own family are not mutually exclusive. We can feel both things. The way you feel isn't wrong or right, it's how you act on your feelings that matters.
bimble
floofy
Whoa wasn’t intended as passive aggressive just a bit defensive. It’s all ok, I know you didn’t mean to come across as if you were saying pull your socks up. Just today the whole ‘be grateful for what you have’ thing hasn’t been working as well as it usually does for me.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You have urban, throw that into the equation
elbows
Well-Known Member
I've seen no credible suggestions that this is a feature of the new strain. Maybe there is some, but I've not seen it, and the media just reach for their big book of pandemic mutation cliches at times like these. But then I've not even seen recent media articles that make this suggestion, so maybe I am missing something that has more merit.
Its not even clear that the 1918 wave pattern was as simple as that, and we dont have enough meaningful samples from the era to check. Its just as likely that, for example, some second wave 1918 flu viruses were better at transmitting and got into all sorts of populations in a big way that were relatively spared by the first wave. Its not clear and probably never will be, and some experts in the field will accept some traditional 1918 views whilst others are far from convinced.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm trying to continue to sound calm & upbeat when my old Mum & Dad keep asking me if I think they're OK to go to the doctors to get their jab this week. I don't fucking know...but I just keep on saying stuff like "I'm sure they'll have it all safe" etc. but, in reality, there has to be a risk surrounding getting all these very old folk in one building. Just trying not to get to too anxious, so that they just get it done...
elbows
Well-Known Member
By the way it turns out I was a bit out of date in terms of 'first UK cases, first UK death, how early did it start?' stuff.
Since early on a lack of surveillance in the first months was thought likely to have obscured the beginning of the UK outbreak. And indeed when we finally started noticing deaths, it was because we had just started actually looking for them properly, eg by testing hospital patients who didnt have a history of travel to China etc.
And there were no shortage of anecdotes about people in a choir getting sick early. and Fergus Walsh from the BBC testing positive for antibodies even though the last time he knew he got sick was before there was even any covid-19 awareness.
Well it turns out that someone got the authorities to explore the January death of their father, after an illness in December, and the virus was detected in lung samples so they got a death certificate with Covid-19 on it:
Daughter of British man who ‘died from Covid-19 in January’ attacks China for ‘cover-up’
Jane Buckland says her father had a heart condition and would have been shielding had he known about the disease at the time
www.independent.co.uk
A lot of death can happen from novel viruses before people notice. The above is not new news but I missed it at the time some months ago.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
My friend is over visiting her family, but now very worried she won't be able to get home to Vienna
edit: she isolated in a single room of their house for 10 days upon arrival earlier this month, she's very by the book.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Such facts often take a long time to emerge, if ever, and require luck and masses of data to firmly establish.
It may be that specific details of their genomic surveillance give them more confidence about reaching certain conclusions, but they may be being coy about such detail. For example Scotland was not afraid to mention the new strain in the context of care home and hospital outbreaks. If the existing hospital genonic spread studies are part of whats picked up this new strain, then they may have had the opportunity to study the spread in particular institutions in a rather detailed way.
We'll see. So far in terms of info in the public domain, I am missing what would be required for my own impression of this situation to develop properly. Its quite weak stuff, but they may be sitting on stuff that is more compelling.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
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