Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
My son's partner is planning on flying to Madrid on Dec 26th to see her family for the first time in a year. Can this still happen?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Numbers
an ting!
I was loosely planning on going to Ireland for all of Feb, I was planning on hiring an AirBnB for a month, arrive - isolate for 14 days whilst WFH then go see me Mam and Dad. Me old Mam has Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s so hasn’t got much time left. Wasn’t keen on flying but was prepared to do so.
andysays
Love and solidarity
...in 2025...I am looking forward to the Mayday celebrations with family
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
A bit more detail please?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
p.s. thanks for the quick response...and for info they are Brighton based (i.e. tier 2).
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
While there is truth to this, and I hate Christmas, for those of us who work in schools, or those who are waiting to meet up with e.g grandchildren who go to school, or both, our times are limited by school breaks, especially in my case where the distance between us is hundreds of miles. Easter seems a long way away and with no guarantees. Summer even longer. It's depressing,
As for the 'trapped on the island' (others, not PD58 )bit...well, hmmm. Adjust your perspective if that's how you feel, because that's all you can really do. There are many people who are permanently trapped in somewhere a lot smaller than this island due to social and economic deprivation. And their confinement is far more long term, often permanent. Travel is my life, in that I work to be able to travel. So I do understand. But, ultimately, ours is not the worst deprivation in this shit-show.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
They cant fly unless for work reasons. Also Spain might well refuse entry even if they got a job immediately and could show documents to this effect.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
In augustI am looking forward to the Mayday celebrations with family
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
See this pub...
It's in tier 4. The Googlecar that took the picture was in tier 2. The landlord is reported to be "gutted."
It's in tier 4. The Googlecar that took the picture was in tier 2. The landlord is reported to be "gutted."
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
I'm not sure this latest episode was as inevitable as all that. In short, lockdown 2 ended too soon.
This can be seen quite well on elbows attractive and informative hospital admission charts:
Looking at the total national figure on the top chart you can see how the second wave developed more slowly than the first wave, probably because of the restrictions in place this time, and the 2nd lockdown was bringing the number down at a shallower rate, partly because the lockdown was looser and possibly due to the new strain in the south east. But while the first lockdown lasted months and bought the figures right down before being eased, the second lockdown had only just turned the corner, leaving cases high before the 2nd tier system was introduced and cases started shooting up again.
Looking at the regional picture, in the north you can see the upward trajectory of the second wave reduce because of the tier 3 restrictions and then come down during lockdown 2. In the south east and London, where the new strain is hitting, you can see hospital admissions were taking off before lockdown 2, held level during November and then took off again once restrictions were eased at the beginning of December.
I've been following the figures in the south east, because I've got friends and family in SE London, north Kent and south Essex. During lockdown 2 the worst hit areas of Kent - Swale and Thanet - were seeing new cases coming down by the end of lockdown 2. The new strain was mainly contained to the north Kent coast. MPs further south in Kent were furious they were put in tier 3 as their case numbers were still so low. Since that lockdown ended cases have exploded across the whole of Kent, London, most of Essex, into East Sussex and around the east of England. I'd cynically assumed this was caused by pre-Xmas activity - packed shops, meet ups, etc - but a new more transmittable strain does explain this rapid spread. But if lockdown 2 had continued until case numbers had come down much more, which it should've, then the problems of the new strain might have been identified before it had spread so far across the country.
All that, of course, ignores the politics and economics of Xmas. Johnson had decided to "Sacrifice November to save December", so whatever the figures demanded he'd decided lockdown 2 was only going to last a month. There was huge demand from retail to open for December, when they make a big part of their profits. There was huge demand from people who wanted normality at Christmas. And Johnson, as always wanting to avoid difficult decisions, tried to give it to them. But now he's ended up with the worst of both worlds - the virus has spread widely, shops are having to shut for some of their busiest days and Xmas is cancelled for millions of people.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yeah, this.
I can understand it as well, but everyone is really going to have to get used to the idea that these sort of restrictions on meeting others and doing various things that we would normally take for granted are going to be with us for the foreseeable future.
The idea that everything would quickly get back to normal is a fantasy.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
If it is 70% more infectious then we are about to find a new new normal soon.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
To be clear my son's partner is a Spanish national from Madrid; my son is not going.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
that is 6 days away
5 days ago we were in tier 2 and are now in 4
and Spain may join the other countries which are now not accepting UK arrivals
e2a: not meaning to be gloomy but really travel plans at the moment are a bit optimistic
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
I would guess her nan not being expected to make it past winter does count as exceptional circumstances.
editor
hiraethified
Only if she can claim it's an 'essential' journey. Work is apparently essential.
There certainly are shitloads of planes in the sky right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if Spain bans Brits arriving too before then.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I get that, but as things currently stand the advice seems to be that it is possible to travel to Spain from a tier 2 area...I am getting confused!
Cheers and thanks to people for their input - Louis MacNeice
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Assuming she lives here, she might also get stuck in Spain for some time (if she manages to get there in the first place). So guess it also depends whether that's doable or not.
bimble
floofy
I think that would probably be permitted. Sounds like it should be. Don’t know though.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Essential travel is permitted even from tier 4, so that would count.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Caring responsibilities are OK and have been under all the various lockdown restrictions afaik.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
That would be OK.
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Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
bimble
floofy
Am well aware that I’m extremely fortunate to have food warm home two legs and a garden etc. Hopefully it’s permissible every now and then though, even on here, to just say something about how it all feels, like that this morning I feel scared.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I said I understood. And I offered constructive advice. I don't really get the defensiveness and passive-aggressiveness (hopefully it's permissible even on here etc) of your reply.
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