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Yes the entire autumn and winter in this pandemic could have been framed very differently every step of the way. Indeed the summer relaxation should have been framed as a temporary thing that would end as the seasons turned. Instead we got a shit pandemic soap opera.

Boris (and Trump) have spent the whole year carping on about turning the corner/all clear in a few weeks/soon be back to normal blah blah blah.
Shameless bravado and wilful ignorance in the face of reality at the expense of people's lives.
 
Puddy, this year I moved countries and have moved twice since being back in the UK. Moving house is allowed, and the various related services all operate.

From what i can gather, it was difficult during first lockdown, and I can see us being back in that position if not more so by january.

There were other reasons for deciding not to go ahead with it (including risk of being laid off before I could start if lockdown 3 started), but that was a factor.

May or may not have been the right answer long term...
 
Two young women have been going up and down the aisle of my train telling people they've been indoctrinated to wear masks, but they don't need to because 99.7 per cent something or other. Masked passengers are trying to pretend they're not there. Some younger unmasked travellers have been chatting enthusiastically with the women. There has been some talk of common law. They've just got off at Stevenage thank fuck.
Sorry, but that should become the standard thing to say when a conspiraloon leaves the room from now on. :D
 
Two young women have been going up and down the aisle of my train telling people they've been indoctrinated to wear masks, but they don't need to because 99.7 per cent something or other. Masked passengers are trying to pretend they're not there. Some younger unmasked travellers have been chatting enthusiastically with the women. There has been some talk of common law. They've just got off at Stevenage thank fuck.
I'm sure the BTP would have been delighted to teach them the error of their ways.

Film it and send it to BTP - if you cant'd find their local twatter, then use the security problem links (the see it say it sort it contact)
 
I thought it was the council that sorted out homeless people, not estate agents.

And Technical guidance on eviction notices
Yeah, but it's often quicker to find a private letting. When I got a month's NTQ in August, I made an appointment with the council, and the earliest one was six weeks away. I did the rounds on Gumtree and Spare Room, found somewhere and had moved within two weeks.
 
Christmas then, a mega-fuck-omnishambles of politics, expectation management and fucking with people's lives and mental health. And 100% avoidable if politicians weren't such shithouses. But my question is 'what's next'? If this (Tier4) is premised on the prevalence of the new strain, it will probably have spread beyond the Tier 4 areas already. Can schools go back in January? I do hope the fuckwits who run our universities manage to just make a collective decision to go online (as much as possible) form Term/Semester 2. They won't and the government will fail to make a decision on that for another month.

We're going to be in a really bad place till tens of millions get the vaccine. If they vaccine doesn't work on the new strain, doesn't bear thinking about. If the vaccine hope gets wiped out we really do get into a mental health crisis. Of fuck.
 
They're all open round here, rooms full of the parasites in full disgraceful view non stop.

Same here. There's one on my way to work that perpetually annoys me. No distancing, no masks etc. Is there some aspect of estate-agenting that requires access to secure systems that can only be used in the office? I find it hard to believe they actually have the braincells needed for that kind of set-up.
 
More tier 4 areas after xmas, effectively giving a national lockdown. Schools delayed by a couple of weeks while we see if the tier 4 restrictions have worked/if this new variant is as bad as feared.

Would be my guess.
Officially it's going to be a 'staggered return', but schools will be open in Tier 4.
Going to school, college and university
Schools and colleges will remain open during term time in Tier 4 areas. The Government will continue to prioritise the wellbeing and long-term futures of our young people. It remains very important for children and young people to attend, to support their wellbeing and education and help working parents and guardians. Senior clinicians still advise that school is the best place for children to be, and so they should continue to go to school during term time.

Schools
The Government has confirmed that all secondary schools and colleges in England will be offered help, support and facilities to implement an additional round of free coronavirus testing from the first week of January.

This will be alongside a staggered return to face-to-face education in secondary schools, starting with exam years, vulnerable children and children of critical workers.

The offer of tests builds on the extensive protective measures already in place in schools and colleges to make them safe, as well as the government’s recent announcement that every secondary school and college in England will have access to rapid testing from January.

In schools and colleges where year 7 and above are educated, face coverings should be worn by adults (staff and visitors) and pupils when moving around indoors, such as in corridors and communal areas where social distancing is difficult to maintain.

There is guidance for teachers, school leaders, carers and parents on education and childcare.
 
My sister in law's funeral in Wales in August was made even more tragic with just 20 socially distanced people allowed and the pall bearers having to wear gloves and masks.
We had the same experience last month for
Uncle in law- dystopian funeral. Now my aunt in law who lives in chessington and was supposed to be spending Christmas with her son in Bristol will presumably have to be alone
 
This would be more on the legal side wouldn't it? i.e solicitor rather than the estate agent (and I mean obviously the witness is whichever vaguely respectable person you can dredge up). Doesn't require anything to be done in the estate agent's office.
true, I wish it was allowed to lynch the fuckers in tier 4 but we'll just have to wait.
 
I know we all hate estate agents but they do a fairly vital service. You might need to get somewhere. There are lots of harrowing situations such as relationships breaking down and domestic abuse. Not everyone who is suddenly homeless is broke, without these people the options are limited. Hotels are shut. Might get an Airbnb if you’re lucky.
 
TBF, Waverley has the lowest case numbers in Surrey, it borders tier 2 West Sussex, and has lower numbers than 2 council areas in WS.

Though I walked to the high street around 2pm yesterday and it was fucking mobbed, so maybe we’ll be catching up with the rest of the county soon enough. I turned around and went home again. Then told my mum she can’t come over on Friday. And then had a bit of a cry.
 
Though I walked to the high street around 2pm yesterday and it was fucking mobbed, so maybe we’ll be catching up with the rest of the county soon enough. I turned around and went home again. Then told my mum she can’t come over on Friday. And then had a bit of a cry.

I think you will, as will us.

My niece & family lives in Tunbridge Wells borough, they had very low numbers (under 80 per 100k) when all of Kent went into tier 3, so I've been watching with interest & shock at how it has spread, from just 3 local council areas in the north of the county, turning most of Kent purple (over 400 cases per 100k) on the government's interactive map, now 9 out of 11 areas are purple. Just TW & Sevenoaks boroughs have turned from light to dark blue, on around 300 cases per 100k, but I suspect not for much longer.

It's seriously hit Ashford in the last week, and spilled over into East Sussex, hitting both Rother district & Hastings borough - all 3 of those areas seeing increases of over 120% in a week. The other 3 council areas in ES have seen increases of between 78 & 210% in a week. :bigeyes:

It's not stopping at the border with West Sussex, it has already started creeping over, with the county seeing increases of around 80% in a week. For some reason the urban borough of Worthing maintains the lowest case numbers in WS, compared to the rural district areas around us, but it's still up over 100% in a week, taking us to just over 100 cases per 100k with yesterday's figures, from a low of under 25 a couple of weeks ago. :bigeyes:

It's scary watching it spread day by day, and the map changing to ever darker colours as it does, I wish they had put all parts of East Sussex into tier 4, together with Brighton & Hove City and West Sussex, before it gets totally out of control. We felt fairly safe right from the start of the pandemic, but that feeling has evaporated in the last week. :(
 
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The Dutch has banned flights from the UK, and who can blame them?

Although, I suspect they are too late, and this new strain, if it did actually start in the UK, has already travelled to mainland Europe.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s cabinet had now taken the “precautionary decision” to ban flights from Britain, the statement said, adding that other forms of transport were still under review. He urged Dutch citizens not to travel unless strictly necessary.

“Over the next few days, together with other EU member states, (the government) will explore the scope for further limiting the risk of the new strain of the virus being brought over from the UK,” the statement said.

The Netherlands is under a five-week lockdown until mid-January with schools and all non-essential shops closed to slow a surge in the virus.


ETA - And, Israel too.

 
It is really maddening. Am very sad for people who desperately want to see family and businesses in that will struggle. Am also really angry at the government but that is nothing new. More than that a lot of people's Winterval plans. I am upset more people will get sick and die. Also worried about NHS staff, teachers and other frontline stuff.

This plan for relaxing over Winterval idiotic. The government can't be trusted, the media can't be trusted and a lot of the selfish public can't be trusted.

This ^ is nothing new but am amazed anyone took the governments Winterval break seriously.

Would like to hope that these new unprecedented #worldbeating #moonshot Tier4 measures will be strictly managed by police/councils, and adhered to by the public :rolleyes:
 
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Regarding estate agents, I am in a tier 4 area, sold my house on Wednesday when we were still tier 2 and currently live in a hotel as I am working locally until NYE

From January I am moving to another part of the country to start a new job so will certainly need an estate agent to find myself somewhere more permanent to live than a hotel
 
Christmas then, a mega-fuck-omnishambles of politics, expectation management and fucking with people's lives and mental health. And 100% avoidable if politicians weren't such shithouses. But my question is 'what's next'? If this (Tier4) is premised on the prevalence of the new strain, it will probably have spread beyond the Tier 4 areas already. Can schools go back in January? I do hope the fuckwits who run our universities manage to just make a collective decision to go online (as much as possible) form Term/Semester 2. They won't and the government will fail to make a decision on that for another month.

We're going to be in a really bad place till tens of millions get the vaccine. If they vaccine doesn't work on the new strain, doesn't bear thinking about. If the vaccine hope gets wiped out we really do get into a mental health crisis. Of fuck.

I'm not sure about the chance of avoiding this latest episode really, short of changing the entire response from the beginning. I also think lots of the pressure for Xmas relaxation actually came from the media incessantly going on about Xmas since October, but I do think anecdotally plenty of people I have talked to have wanted something like that as well.

I also think a sudden change in restrictions when the news of the new variant was all they could do, and I'm not pissed off with them about that, and I do find the moaning about cancelled plans for Xmas, etc. quite ridiculous and selfish in the face of 80,000 dead in this country, and likely many more before this is over. I personally wish they'd been tighter restrictions all the way through, but I recognize that is not what many people want, and they also come with other disadvantages, and I do know that it is a balance between various competing needs in society.

My thoughts from reading and listening to stuff are that this variant is really worrying them (like in March when the modelling came in and forced a sudden change) and it seems clear that Tier 3 isn't enough to control its spread, hence the growing cases in some areas despite being under that level of restrictions. I think we'll see an inevitable spread across the country in the next 1-2 months, and we'll end up in a national lockdown/Tier 4 sometime in the new year. Fuck knows about schools, it's a hill they have chosen to die on.

I think the nightmare scenarios are either (1) the vaccine/s doesn't protect against the new variant, or (2) it causes more severe illness and outcomes in some way. Or both... (I also have some concerns the vaccine take-up is going to be low, and that the rollout is going to get fucked up and delayed in some ways...).

As an aside it doesn't even to have a higher fatality % rate to actually kill more people. If more people just get ill and overwhelm the NHS then more people will die, and/or if more people just get it than might otherwise have before we have a vaccinated population then also more people will die.

It really is going to be a very grim few months I think.
 
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As an aside it doesn't even to have a higher fatality % rate to actually kill more people. If more people just get ill and overwhelm the NHS then more people will die, and/or if more people just get it than might otherwise have before we have a vaccinated population then also more people will die.

It really is going to be a very grim few months I think.
Sadly this.

The vaccination effort has been good (compared to everything else) so far. How long it will take and to roll out to the critical mass is hard to judge.

I think a few months more is probably accurate
 
My dad who's a retired biochemist says that if as has been mentioned in some news stories this new strain seems to be hitting younger people harder, then it would mean Covid is following the same pattern as the Spanish Flu pandemic, where at first it was old people who died then about a year later the virus mutated and started killing young adults. Nicola Sturgeon having taken serious measures to try and keep it out of Scotland and extending the school holidays/doing online learning for the start of next term may reflect this.
 
My dad who's a retired biochemist says that if as has been mentioned in some news stories this new strain seems to be hitting younger people harder, then it would mean Covid is following the same pattern as the Spanish Flu pandemic, where at first it was old people who died then about a year later the virus mutated and started killing young adults. Nicola Sturgeon having taken serious measures to try and keep it out of Scotland and extending the school holidays/doing online learning for the start of next term may reflect this.

I'd be inclined to post something in the way of evidence alongside a terrifying claim like that, personally. Too much innuendo and guesswork around as it is.

There's really no reason to expect this virus to behave like 'flu, in fact assuming that it would was a key reason why the initial modelling and the response (or lack of) based on it were so wide of the mark.
 
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