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elbows said:
Its the perpetual shitty tango in this country between politicians and the media. If people watched the press conferences in full all the way along they will have heard many immature, loaded and ridiculous questions from sections of the media during this pandemic.
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Yeah, a couple of the questions from media earlier today had me shaking my head and asking "what are you, twelve or something?"
 
elbows said:
I note that the Scottish announcement included a delay to the start of the new school term (except for children of essential workers). And they've given themselves to delay the school restart for other kids even further if thats what circumstances still demand by mid January.
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Which is what we should be doing here, certainly for secondaries. Have told daughter a school shutdown is a distinct possibility, though one, just like Christmas, this government will take at the last moment possible. I have been saying for ages they probably shouldn't go back to school this half term.
 
cupid_stunt said:
Tier 4 details now on the government's website...

www.gov.uk

Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19

Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Wonderfully vague. I think my ex will be allowed to travel (and self isolate on arrival) but who knows.
International travel to or from a tier 4 area
If you are in Tier 4, you should not be travelling abroad unless it is permitted. In addition, you should consider the public health advice in the country you are visiting.

If you live outside a tier 4 area you may still transit into or through a tier 4 area to travel abroad if you need to, but you should carefully consider whether you need to do so. In addition, you should follow the public health advice in the country you’re visiting.

If you do need to travel overseas from a tier 4 area (and are legally permitted to do so, for example, because it is for work), even if you are returning to a place you've visited before, you should look at the rules in place at your destination and the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) travel advice.



www.gov.uk

Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19

Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Mation said:
Wakes will apparently continue to be allowed with 6 people in attendance. But I'm sure I read that today, in Tier 3, wakes aren't allowed (though funerals are).

(Thankfully this doesn't affect me at the moment. But ffs.)
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My sister in law's funeral in Wales in August was made even more tragic with just 20 socially distanced people allowed and the pall bearers having to wear gloves and masks.
 
elbows said:
She mentioned hospital infections too. Which reminds me that there are some trials in England where they are studying genome sequences of infections in hospital staff and patients in an attempt to improve understanding of transmission in those settings. I wonder if the new strain has shown up much in those studies.
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Ah, as I slowly work my way through the Scottish press conference I see that a journalist picked up on the hospital & care home aspect and in response the Scottish CMO did mention things such as how they are talking several times a day to the other UK nations and that they are seeing the signal of the new strain in nosocomial spread data. That means hospital infections are happening in these institutional settings and they are picking up this new strain when doing genomic analysis on samples. Sturgeon indicated that more work still has to be done to make sure that the new strain is the real and only reason why they've seen greater than expected transmission recently within specific outbreak settings, eg some care home outbreaks. They arent 100% sure thats the reason, but obvious need to explore the possibility and its just too tempting not to join those dots in the meantime (very much my words not hers).
 
S☼I said:
What's she coming to the UK for? And where's she going?

I think Italy have announced stronger rules thus evening
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She's Italian and (trying ) to go home. Her grandmother is unlikely to last the winter, but I suppose she could manufacture a job to try and get around the vague instructions. She intends to self isolate and stay back in Italy for some time and help look after her family.
 
Why the fuck are estate agents allowed to stay open? And does covid stay away from churches?

These venues, business and settings can stay open
  • Place of worship including for communal worship
  • Food shops and supermarkets
  • Garden centres
  • Outdoor playgrounds and parks
  • Petrol stations, car repairs and MOT series, bicycle shops and taxi businesses
  • Banks and post offices
  • Vets and pet shops
  • Estate agents and letting agents
  • Public toilets
  • Waste and recycling centres, courts and many other public services
www.london.gov.uk

Coronavirus: What you need to know

We must act to control further spread of the coronavirus, here is what you need to know.
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Here's the govt list:

non-essential retail, such as clothing and homeware stores, vehicle showrooms (other than for rental), betting shops, tailors, tobacco and vape shops, electronic goods and mobile phone shops, and market stalls selling non-essential goods - these venues can continue to be able to operate click-and-collect (where goods are pre-ordered and collected off the premises) and delivery services
  • hospitality venues such as cafes, restaurants, pubs, bars and social clubs; with the exception of providing food and drink for takeaway (until 11pm), click-and-collect, drive-through or delivery
  • accommodation such as hotels, hostels, guest houses and campsites, except for specific circumstances, such as where these act as someone’s main residence, where the person cannot return home, for homeless people, or where it is essential to stay there for work purposes
  • leisure and sports facilities such as leisure centres and indoor gyms, indoor swimming pools, indoor tennis and basketball courts, indoor fitness and dance studios, indoor climbing walls
  • entertainment venues such as theatres, concert halls, cinemas, museums and galleries, casinos, amusement arcades, bingo halls, bowling alleys, skating rinks, go-karting venues, indoor play and soft play centres and areas (including inflatable parks and trampolining centres), circuses, fairgrounds, funfairs, zoos and other animal attractions, water parks and theme parks
  • indoor attractions at botanical gardens, heritage homes and landmarks must also close, though outdoor grounds of these premises can stay open
  • personal care facilities such as hair, beauty, tanning and nail salons. Tattoo parlours, spas, massage parlours, body and skin piercing services must also close. It is also prohibited to provide these services in other people’s homes
  • community centres and halls must close except for a limited number of exempt activities, as set out below. Libraries can also remain open to provide access to IT and digital services - for example for people who do not have it at home - and for click-and-collect services
www.gov.uk

Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19

Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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editor said:
My sister in law's funeral in Wales in August was made even more tragic with just 20 socially distanced people allowed and the pall bearers having to wear gloves and masks.
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I went to a funeral with similar rules a couple of weeks ago. I can't remember the last time I cried as much. Not only for my beloved friend who died way to young, but suddenly all the accumulated sadness and frustration of the entire year hit me hard. Funerals in times of Covid are a very cold, humbling and sad affair.
 
littleseb said:
I went to a funeral with similar rules a couple of weeks ago. I can't remember the last time I cried as much. Not only for my beloved friend who died way to young, but suddenly all the accumulated sadness and frustration of the entire year hit me hard. Funerals in times of Covid are a very cold, humbling and sad affair.
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I probably said at the time but my sister in law was super popular so the streets were lined with people as the coffin made its journey to the crematorium. It was unbelievably moving, tragic and sad. Fuck covid.
 
They made the wrong decision in the first place. It was clearly to appease the need for the previous lockdown and to not cause to much upset. Would we expect anything else?

I'm getting a bit annoyed withwith my sister as she is insisting on seeing my parents at Christmas with her family. Children are in school and college. My parents have eachother and will be vaccinated soon I just don't see the point in risking it right now. Most of my siblings dropped in on them for her birthday last week too. :facepalm:
 
editor said:
I probably said at the time but my sister in law was super popular so the streets were lined with people as the coffin made its journey to the crematorium. It was unbelievably moving, tragic and sad. Fuck covid.
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opposite for us. We were struggling to fill the 15 allowed seats. I hadn't realised how few people my friend had in his life. He died a lonely man in very lonely times.
May your sister in law rest in peace.
 
In other circumstances, I might be home-hunting now, having been offered a job to start mid january that would have meant moving house

the idea of potentially trying to move house in the middle of a lockdown is just one of the reasons i decided against it...
 
Puddy_Tat said:
In other circumstances, I might be home-hunting now, having been offered a job to start mid january that would have meant moving house

the idea of potentially trying to move house in the middle of a lockdown is just one of the reasons i decided against it...
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Puddy, this year I moved countries and have moved twice since being back in the UK. Moving house is allowed, and the various related services all operate.
 
I'm trying to see if there is anything further I can do to protect myself (and my household). [our local case rate is 1248.6 / 100,000 ]

We are pretty much shielding now, as we are waiting for the vaccine jabs (all of us are 65 and over, except me and I'm not that much younger, tbh ) ...

So; food deliveries, click n collect for anything else, WFH, no socialising and staying in as much as possible.
 
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