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Looks like it's been edited to make him look bad. It's not the whole interview.
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Looks like it's been edited to make him look bad. It's not the whole interview.
Supine
Newt Member
It was reported a few days ago that we had sent 50,000 tests to US labs, now the news that 100,000 have been sent to German labs, and that they deliver results quicker than UK labs.
Fresh Questions Over Testing Capacity As UK Sends At Least 100,000 Swabs To Germany
Exclusive: Figure leads to accusations ministers are dodging transparency as EU labs process home testing kits.www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
It's lucky we still have mutual recognition with German labs until the end of this year then.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
Have been reading the pandemic-related article comments on the Daily Mail website for a few weeks now and can see a contrarian position held by a minority of commenters gaining ground. Some common themes:
- The numbers are being fiddled to make things look worse than they really are.
- Lockdown is a disaster that should never have happened. Look at Sweden - it's not so bad there and they havent wrecked their economy.
- It's all about scaremongering to control people and take away our freedoms.
- You don't need to wear a facemask ever. They're ugly and uncomfortable and why should I?
- Old and vulnerable people are the ones who need to keep indoors, not everyone else.
All other things being equal it might have gone worse in England under a Labour government with a stronger tribalistic political rejection of social distancing etc.
- The numbers are being fiddled to make things look worse than they really are.
- Lockdown is a disaster that should never have happened. Look at Sweden - it's not so bad there and they havent wrecked their economy.
- It's all about scaremongering to control people and take away our freedoms.
- You don't need to wear a facemask ever. They're ugly and uncomfortable and why should I?
- Old and vulnerable people are the ones who need to keep indoors, not everyone else.
All other things being equal it might have gone worse in England under a Labour government with a stronger tribalistic political rejection of social distancing etc.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
This comparison with Sweden bugs me, it's like comparing chalk and cheese.
I just happened to have been reading this, and it sums it up so well.
Daily Telegraph
2hats
Dust.
More informative if that 28 April interview is seen in its entirety, rather than selectively cut and out of context...
"All epidemics of this nature will eventually come to an end when you reach a certain level of immunity in the population and there's two ways that can happen. One is by natural infection, and that's by far the worst way of doing it, and one is by vaccination, and that's by far the better way of doing it."
andysays
Love and solidarity
WTF is a tribalistic political rejection of social distancing and why should a Labour government be prone to it?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
"I'm not doing what Mr Corbyn says, he doesn't wear a tie, I didn't vote for him"
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
ONS figures out now, for registered deaths up to 8th May, however the 8th was a Bank Holiday, so there's only 4 days of registration that week, i.e. the total figures will be out by about 20%.
Excess deaths that week are around 3,000 more than average, although without the Bank Holiday, the figure would probably be around 3,750.
But, at least the graphs show positive news -
www.mirror.co.uk
Excess deaths that week are around 3,000 more than average, although without the Bank Holiday, the figure would probably be around 3,750.
But, at least the graphs show positive news -
UK Covid-19 death toll over 44,000 - nearly 10,000 more than previously thought
Figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that the number of care home deaths in the UK had passed 10,000 by May 8, with the overall death toll passing 44,000
www.mirror.co.uk
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
"....aaaand now I'm dead."
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
I'm not very good at drawing so I can't simplify it further.
maomao
普費斯
An unmasked lady outside Asda last week was telling anyone who'd listen that she knew two people who had died of a heart attack and a stroke and the doctors had been made to put Covid 19 on the death certificate even though they'd tested negative.
And I think large sections of the media would have been openly hostile to a Corbyn ordered lockdown especially if it had happened earlier.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
I quoted it so I posted it.
Not everyone is reading every page and checking every link.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I'm trying not to be to glib about these people bringing it on themselves when they get Covid because I remembered that when they do fuck around with flouting quarantine and EXPOSING THE GOVERNMENTS LIES! they become a vector that could potentially infect people I actually care about.
Twats.
Doodler
You're quite nice when you smile
An unmasked lady outside Asda last week was telling anyone who'd listen that she knew two people who had died of a heart attack and a stroke and the doctors had been made to put Covid 19 on the death certificate even though they'd tested negative.
And I think large sections of the media would have been openly hostile to a Corbyn ordered lockdown especially if it had happened earlier.
Some of those sections might have tried to make lockdown and even social distancing unworkable. Same telephoto lens tactics to make places look more packed with daytrippers, but with headlines like 'The People's Verdict on Corbyn' etc. Not necessarily from the outset, because of the initial shock factor of the pandemic.
SheilaNaGig
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I’m seeing this story in various forms increasing.
ETA
And here’s an article that responds to this story.
As an NHS doctor, I can tell you there's no cynical plot to distort coronavirus death certificates
These keyboard warriors love to tell the world that doctors sometimes write Covid-19 on certificates when there had not been a positive test – as if this is a revelation
www.independent.co.uk
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
An unmasked lady outside Asda last week was telling anyone who'd listen that she knew two people who had died of a heart attack and a stroke and the doctors had been made to put Covid 19 on the death certificate even though they'd tested negative.
I would guess that she was talking bollocks, my funeral director mate tells a very different story, they have dealt with loads of clients that have said the deceased was showing symptoms, but doctors were refusing to note it on the death certificate without a test confirming it.
The ONS data, at the peak week, showed around 12,000 excess deaths, but only around 8,000 with C-19 on the death certificate, which indicates a large under reporting of C-19 deaths.
SheilaNaGig
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This stuff about lying about cause of death should probably go into Conspiracy Corner, since it’s a growing conspiracy.
Another piece that responds to it:
architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk
Another piece that responds to it:
Manufacturing Consensus: The Registering of COVID-19 Deaths in the UK
‘If the truth is numerical, dry, factual, something that requires effort and study, then it is not truth for them, not something that can bewitch them.’ — Bertolt Brecht ‘Propaganda works best when…
architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
A GP friend of mine has whistleblown that some doctors were not putting CV on the death certificate as it was more complicated administratively, the piece was on Channel 4 news a couple of weeks back.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
From the New Scientist:
How big is the disparity with official counts?
It varies. One study estimates that the coronavirus had caused the deaths of 52,000 people in Italy by 18 April (medRxiv, doi.org/ds6s) – more than double the reported figure. Similarly, a Financial Times analysis suggests the virus had led to 45,000 deaths in the UK by 21 April, more than twice the official figure then of 17,000.
Read more: How many people have really died from covid-19 so far?
Some weird what-if-ing on this thread - A Corbyn government didn't happen precisely because of the levels of distrust in him, so it's pointless speculating what issues that government might have had re: lockdown compliance etc. For a Corbyn government to have happened, there would have needed to be different levels of trust in him in the country. It's nonsense to speculate how it could have been, because... it couldn't be.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Met a bloke in the valley who said he was head of his own engineering firm where nearly all of the employees had been furloughed. He was saying everyone has to die sometime and he thinks the virus is being overstated and he knew lots of people who'd had it and recovered, including the occupants of one care home who'd all had it and all had been ok. This is in Cornwall where we've had relatively few cases.
I struggled to be polite to him.
I struggled to be polite to him.
editor
hiraethified
This is quite magnificent
Is this the most amazing NHS tribute in London? Behold the Herne Hill 360 degree diorama!
Is this the most amazing NHS tribute in London? Behold the Herne Hill 360 degree diorama!
editor
hiraethified
Interesting that he points out how reliable the FT figures are and that the Guardian has provided the best coverage - and how bad the tabloids are.
RT-PCR gives false negatives anyway but this would add to it.
Interview with Devi Sridhar
www.telegraph.co.uk
Devi Sridhar: Wealth is the best shielding strategy for this virus - and from severe symptoms
'What struck me is that it’s unclear what the UK Government’s goal is. What is the strategy?'
www.telegraph.co.uk
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