Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[teqniq]

Hancock being interviewed by Piers Morgan tomorrow morning. Could be .... interesting.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Lot of people upset with Morgan at the moment.

Apparently he's actually been doing a decent job of holding people to account, and they don't know what to do with that because he's usually such a twat

 

[teqniq]

Indeed, things have taken a turn for the strange.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I think it has military medical personel as well.

Was the 10 day build hospital in China fully utilised?

Redeployment from other specialisms which aren't operating fully / at all due to covid 19 mostly I'd imagine.

Fully staffed with acupuncture specialists...

-Was the 10 day build hospital in China fully utilised?
-Redeployment from other specialisms which aren't operating fully / at all due to covid 19 mostly I'd imagine.
-Fully staffed with acupuncture specialists...


The series of posts went as quoted above. It looked to me like lazy bantz that amounted to “Chinese people do acupuncture”.

Why was acupuncture mentioned at all? It was completely out of the blue and had no bearing on the discussion.


Apologies if I read it wrongly, but it still makes no sense to have mentioned acupuncture.


NoXion
Cid

 

[elbows]

Looks like we werent the only ones talking about this aspect ten day ago.

Warning as UK coronavirus outbreak leads to sharp rise in deaths at home

A&E chiefs believe many people who could be saved are too scared to go to hospital

www.theguardian.com

The minutes of the online meeting, held on Monday 6 April, said that “some patients [are] coming to harm as not coming in or being brought in”.

“Patients with conditions that are time critical re not presenting and concerns rising as to how we manage these patients, eg, no longer able to perform an open appendectomy [for an inflamed appendix],” they continue.

A&E doctors believe that many of the extra deaths from cardiac arrest are due to Covid-19 which, by making it difficult for someone to breathe, puts serious strain on their heart. “Of these 85 extra cardiac arrest deaths a day in London, they must be mainly Covid,” said the head of one A&E department

 

[andysays]

It's mad - that's what they've been doing with their time? Felt a lot like they just wanted to announce a BIG POSITIVE PROUD BADGE THING.
I'm all for it if it means the difference, to the police, between distinguishing who's actually NHS and who isn't - since they seem to have struggled with that - but just look after people, eh, get the tests done, don't waste time on pointless shit.

But ironically*, most care workers don't work for the NHS, because care work has been separated out and mostly privatised.

This crisis and the government's responses to it are making a strong argument that various services and industries which are currently run for private profit need to be run explicitly for the public good, with those working in them paid properly and with proper job security.

This crisis has been described somewhere as the current equivalent to WW11. It's not a perfect analogy, but it could inspire a reorganisation of society on a more social democratic model in a similar way. It's up to all of us to start pointing this out now, and to push for it once it's over.

*Ironically for Hancock, not having a go at you

 

[kabbes]

This crisis and our leadership’s response has a better analogy in WW1.

“Over the top you go, cannon fodder.”

 

[Cid]

-Was the 10 day build hospital in China fully utilised?
-Redeployment from other specialisms which aren't operating fully / at all due to covid 19 mostly I'd imagine.
-Fully staffed with acupuncture specialists...


The series of posts went as quoted above. It looked to me like lazy bantz that amounted to “Chinese people do acupuncture”.

Why was acupuncture mentioned at all? It was completely out of the blue and had no bearing on the discussion.


Apologies if I read it wrongly, but it still makes no sense to have mentioned acupuncture.


NoXion
Cid

I don't think treelover's post was relevant to that string, killer b quoted bimble who was talking about who would staff Nightingale hospitals... When the shit hits the fan complimentary therapies aren't good for much, which is what I read BB's post as implying. Could have been 'fully staffed with homeopaths etc'. I can see who it would be read the other way though.

 

[teqniq]

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[Buddy Bradley]

I don't think treelover's post was relevant to that string, killer b quoted bimble who was talking about who would staff Nightingale hospitals... When the shit hits the fan complimentary therapies aren't good for much, which is what I read BB's post as implying. Could have been 'fully staffed with homeopaths etc'. I can see who it would be read the other way though.

^^ This. I wasn't making any reference to anything Chinese, just a joke about NHS resources being redeployed. Don't know about homeopaths, but I have been offered acupuncture on the NHS. No need to get your knickers in a twist about it.

 

[Petcha]

Piers Morgan just absolutely destroyed Matt Hancock on good morning britain. I'm sure it will be posted later. Apparently the New Zealand prime minister has announced her government are all taking a 20% paycut. When asked if the UK would follow it was a flat 'No', despite him nailing footballers for not doing their bit. Which they actually have in most cases.

 

[Petcha]

Lot of people upset with Morgan at the moment.

Apparently he's actually been doing a decent job of holding people to account, and they don't know what to do with that because he's usually such a twat

He's been doing a brilliant job actually. Without Cummings there the Govt is finally exposing cabinet ministers to him

 

[platinumsage]

Piers Morgan just absolutely destroyed Matt Hancock on good morning britain. I'm sure it will be posted later. Apparently the New Zealand prime minister has announced her government are all taking a 20% paycut. When asked if the UK would follow it was a flat 'No', despite him nailing footballers for not doing their bit. Which they actually have in most cases.

In this country it's only people who aren't working who have had a 20% pay cut. You might not like how good they are at their jobs, but the government are continuing to work. I can't see any rationale for demanding they take a pay cut, unless perhaps you're a journalist looking to score cheap points.

Piers Morgan is a twat.

 

[Petcha]

In this country it's only people who aren't working who have had a 20% pay cut. You might not like how good they are at their jobs, but the government are continuing to work. I can't see any rationale for demanding they take a pay cut, unless perhaps you're a journalist looking to score cheap points.

Piers Morgan is a twat.

Because he demanded footballers take a pay cut. Which they did.

As to your second point, yes he probably is, but hes a formidable interviewer. The government blocked cabinet ministers from GMB Monday to Wednesday as that's when he presents.

 

[Numbers]

I didn’t think Morgan destroyed him at all.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

TBF though, what practical good does it do for MPs to take a pay cut? That money wouldn't go anywhere near the NHS. It would be more relevant to be asking them about whether they are furloughing any of their constituency office staff, which was the issue at the root of the argument over footballers.

 

[Petcha]

I didn’t think Morgan destroyed him at all.

That's just one clip. It was a long interview.

 

[Numbers]

That's just one clip. It was a long interview.

I watched it all. Was expecting more from Morgan, don’t know what exactly but just more.

 

[Ted Striker]

Morgan's been annoyingly good at pressing this shitshow Govt - It is currently the time of day he is stuck on.

 

[two sheds]

Hancock: "I'm going to work every hour that there is". Sleep deprivation could be a problem

 

[Lord Camomile]

TBF though, what practical good does it do for MPs to take a pay cut? That money wouldn't go anywhere near the NHS. It would be more relevant to be asking them about whether they are furloughing any of their constituency office staff, which was the issue at the root of the argument over footballers.

They could donate 20% of their wage to various charities and other causes, most of which ironically wouldn't need as much support if the government had done their job in the first place.

 

[Petcha]

They could donate 20% of their wage to various charities and other causes, most of which ironically wouldn't need as much support if the government had done their job in the first place.

Good idea. Charities are utterly fucked right now and seem to have slipped through the cracks.

'We're all in this together'. Really Mr Hancock? New Zealand's only had 5 deaths or something. We've got 800 a day.

 

[Raheem]

Hancock: "I'm going to work every hour that there is". Sleep deprivation could be a problem

Matt Hancock working could be a problem.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Matt Hancock working could be a problem.

Matt Hancock working certainly doesn't seem to have been working up to this point.

 

[planetgeli]

This crisis and our leadership’s response has a better analogy in WW1.

“Over the top you go, cannon fodder.”

I've been using that exact analogy in conversation with my partner.

 

[Mation]

^^ This. I wasn't making any reference to anything Chinese, just a joke about NHS resources being redeployed. Don't know about homeopaths, but I have been offered acupuncture on the NHS. No need to get your knickers in a twist about it.

I'd probably have believed you had you not included that last sentence.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

I'd probably have believed you had you not included that last sentence.

Luckily I don't give a toss whether or not you believe me.

 

[Mation]

Luckily I don't give a toss whether or not you believe me.

Clearly.

 

[Teaboy]

I thought our MP's got given an extra £10k to cope with the trauma of working from home? The selfless servants of the people they are.

 

[little_legs]