Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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elbows
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I should really fish out NERVTAG quotes I found from their meeting number 50 of April 16th about that subject. Probably I should wait until the 'pause' news chatter dies down. Teaser: their minutes include the use of the word 'consternation', which counts as strong language when it comes to that sort of official experts body minutes.
elbows
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Guardian version of the same:
England’s lockdown easing on 21 June likely to be delayed by up to four weeks
Monday’s announcement will come as coronavirus case are rising at fastest rate since second wave
elbows
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And the BBC are reporting the same sort of thing:
21 June: End of England's Covid lockdown could be delayed by one month
It comes amid concern over rising cases and the transmissibility of the Delta variant in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
This comes from Harry Cole. It's not certain but I think it's inevitable.
Fuck's sake Starmer needs to kick the Tories to fucking death over this. We are - again - here because Johnson and his corrupt wanking crew are totally to blame for this. The media will make excuses; find some hapless holidaying couple and blame them for it all. Bonus points if they were actually Indian. This is a fucking mess and then some. it's take 6 months for 40% or so to be vaccinated. That's just short of 2% a week, so in four weeks that'll be another 8-10% vaccinated.
We are going to have to roll back from where we are as well, but they won't discuss that.
I'd say I can't believe what a fucking catastrofarce Boris Johnson Pfeffle Shitbag is but I've been here throughout. For anyone not a grasping flatulent race baiting opportunist pauper bashing cunt this would be a matter of resignation. Bloody hell it should be like the scene at the end of 47 Ronin where they all fucking seppuku. Except there's no honour for these bastards
Fuck's sake Starmer needs to kick the Tories to fucking death over this. We are - again - here because Johnson and his corrupt wanking crew are totally to blame for this. The media will make excuses; find some hapless holidaying couple and blame them for it all. Bonus points if they were actually Indian. This is a fucking mess and then some. it's take 6 months for 40% or so to be vaccinated. That's just short of 2% a week, so in four weeks that'll be another 8-10% vaccinated.
We are going to have to roll back from where we are as well, but they won't discuss that.
I'd say I can't believe what a fucking catastrofarce Boris Johnson Pfeffle Shitbag is but I've been here throughout. For anyone not a grasping flatulent race baiting opportunist pauper bashing cunt this would be a matter of resignation. Bloody hell it should be like the scene at the end of 47 Ronin where they all fucking seppuku. Except there's no honour for these bastards
Well said. Given it a like for that, not for the behaviour of our government, obvs.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
This
Banning people who go to private/public schools from entering office would make quite a difference to how this country is governed. It’s got to the point it’s run as some form of game to these people.
They really don’t give a shit about the people who live in this country.
We are an island? Why are we here?
this is the beginning of a third wave and this government has no ability to deal with pandemics.
It won't be the last variant, and it won't be the last we import (and also export, but very few talk about that as well).
What happens if the next crisis is coincides with the winter, another variant, and the lack of protection of the first people to have been vaccinated having need of a booster that is also going to require a vast nationwide rollout?
Sooner or later you know they'll outsource that process. Probably to Talk Talk.
cuppa tee
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I was a bit surprised when the London mayor said this.....
“: “The latest available data shows the four tests set out in the Government’s roadmap have been met in London, and it isn’t clear why our city shouldn’t relax restrictions further on June 21”
is it that he knows there will be no easing and so he’s asking for more support for businesses and putting the ball in the governments court preemptively ?
“: “The latest available data shows the four tests set out in the Government’s roadmap have been met in London, and it isn’t clear why our city shouldn’t relax restrictions further on June 21”
is it that he knows there will be no easing and so he’s asking for more support for businesses and putting the ball in the governments court preemptively ?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Demanding thing X is easy when you know there's no prospect of it happening.
It's not very helpful though. The whole idea that we can have the virus controlled in one bit of the country but not in another is not helpful. If cases are rising anywhere, they'll soon be rising everywhere.
platinumsage
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There’s one big factor in controlling the virus that varies massively across the country, and that’s vaccinations. Compare Shetland with 92% of adults having had their first dose and 67% their second, with Tower Hamlets where it’s 44% and 22%. London is ranks particularly badly on this metric, of which the mayor is well aware.
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elbows
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2h ago 14:00
Regarding that last bit, NERVTAG were concerned on April 16th and told the government to add India to the red list. Johnson etcs excuse that the variant of concern was not labelled as such till quite a bit later is not a convincing excuse. I probably will fish out the NERVTAG quotes shortly.
Regarding that last bit, NERVTAG were concerned on April 16th and told the government to add India to the red list. Johnson etcs excuse that the variant of concern was not labelled as such till quite a bit later is not a convincing excuse. I probably will fish out the NERVTAG quotes shortly.
If he thinks it unlikely Boris will unlock, as the news indicates, then he's just playing a game
elbows
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I also note this from the BBCs version of todays Johnson comments:
Covid: PM promises caution over 21 June lockdown end
Boris Johnson says it is vital any changes are "irreversible", amid rising Delta variant cases.
www.bbc.co.uk
2hats
Dust.
de Waffel of the particulars of variants around that time is just smoke and mirrors. Obvious bullshit is obvious...I also note this from the BBCs version of todays Johnson comments:
Covid: PM promises caution over 21 June lockdown end
Boris Johnson says it is vital any changes are "irreversible", amid rising Delta variant cases.www.bbc.co.uk
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
elbows
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Yes a third wave has been on my radar in terms of its potential to doom Johnson for ages, even before this variant, and the variant angle makes it easy for a story of his personal failure to become the dominant variant of the story quite easily.
Yes. I mention this stuff because there have already been signs that they will try to hide behind awareness timing in regards the .2 Delta version of the variant in particular. I dont think it will wash, media have been skeptical of these excuses from the start and the trade deal stuff hands this to them on a plate.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Was with Guido Fawkes before I thinkI'm wondering how the hell that guy can be the political editor of the Scum.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Makes me glad on a personal level to have left Reading (area of concern for Delta variant and with low number of vaccinations) for Devon earlier this year.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Lots of no shows at the vaccination centre today. Probably a combination of the age group attending not feeling hugely at risk, and the good weather
elbows
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Returning to this, I dont honestly know when I will get a chance to talk about it in more detail.
But I did just stumble upon this person on twitter who has a large number of tweets about the subject. I dont suppose anyone saw the Newsnight piece on it?
Also see things like:
Covid-19: Tests must be more rigorously regulated to protect public, say statisticians
Statistical experts have called for new standards for diagnostic tests in response to regulatory gaps identified during the covid-19 pandemic. Current legislation does not require tests to be evaluated in the settings where they will be used. But in a review of the statistical evidence needed...
More work needed to evaluate Covid tests – experts
Experts said tests should be evaluated in the setting where they are intended to be used.
www.standard.co.uk
An example of the government potentially stretching things too far would be this trial. Granted the purpose of a trial is to determine the effectiveness of such things, but they already felt the need to pause it before, and are doing it at a fair scale if things have proceeded according to info in this article from a few months back:
Schools to trial daily Covid testing to replace need for self-isolation
Pilot scheme means students classed as close contact of positive case can remain in school
www.independent.co.uk
elbows
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Experiencing surreal feelings due to an article in the Telegraph that says the sort of things I say, and features the sorts of graphs I would use.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Also contains a link to a new modelling paper which I havent had time to look at yet, I will take a look on Sunday afternoon:
Elsewhere in the Telegraph there is far more typical shit, such as an article which ping-pongs back and forwards between comments somewhat resembling reality, and deranged anti-lockdown people such as MP Marcus Fysh who was happy to boast about how he would start breaking the rules if they still exist come June 21st. He has an especially hideous record in this pandemic and rarely misses an opportunity to push on every front available, including a few weeks ago when he said that schools should curtail their use of hand sanitiser due to its corrosive effects on skin. If I wanted to seek out obvious threats to public health in this pandemic, he would be high on my list of really obvious and absurd examples.
We face a third wave of Covid-19 and the die may already have been cast
The raw data does not look good – cases of the delta variant have been growing exponentially since the last unlocking in May
www.telegraph.co.uk
Also contains a link to a new modelling paper which I havent had time to look at yet, I will take a look on Sunday afternoon:
Elsewhere in the Telegraph there is far more typical shit, such as an article which ping-pongs back and forwards between comments somewhat resembling reality, and deranged anti-lockdown people such as MP Marcus Fysh who was happy to boast about how he would start breaking the rules if they still exist come June 21st. He has an especially hideous record in this pandemic and rarely misses an opportunity to push on every front available, including a few weeks ago when he said that schools should curtail their use of hand sanitiser due to its corrosive effects on skin. If I wanted to seek out obvious threats to public health in this pandemic, he would be high on my list of really obvious and absurd examples.
The unlocking in May is basically the same as the unlocking last November. The permitted socialising in November and December saw the alpha variant rapidly being devastating, so I don’t know why anybody would be surprised that the same permitted socialising is now also seeing the delta variant do the same. It’s clearly not protective enough to allow the things currently allowed.
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