Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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elbows
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In this summary of a main theme or two from todays caution press conference, analysis by the BBCs Nick Triggle provides me with a quote with which I can probably close the Nick Triggle file for now.
Actually there were a bunch of things that could be taken for granted with Covid, the problem was you have to pick the right things, and those things were not aligned with things Triggle seemed to believe until his beliefs evolved and he got a clue some time after September 2020. It appears he got there in the end. I wont go on about him again unless he regresses.
Covid: Strength of defence against new wave unclear, says PM
Boris Johnson urges "caution" despite the Covid vaccine rollout and easing of rules in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
Actually there were a bunch of things that could be taken for granted with Covid, the problem was you have to pick the right things, and those things were not aligned with things Triggle seemed to believe until his beliefs evolved and he got a clue some time after September 2020. It appears he got there in the end. I wont go on about him again unless he regresses.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
So pleased with themselves.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
If and when we escape this fully (June?) and the papers go nuts they should lead with "we done it!" as per the usual shit and then on page two "despite You" and list all the fucking covid denier organisers and grifters. I'm not into public shaming but these cunts (as well as the government) have shown disregard to the safety of others largely from the start.
20Bees
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Reading through the a Twitter feed, a protest group organised the maskless shopping event on Saturday at Tesco, Chelmsford. The maskless shoppers that were spoken to by store managers and police apparently claimed to be exempt.
The video is awful, the poor employee replenishing stock on the shelves is masked and the crowd would certainly be intimidating. The store where I work (not Tesco!) employs external uniformed security and fortunately we have pretty much 100% compliance with masks. And we have restricted the numbers in store for the whole of the past year.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
FTSE 100 firms share latest London office plans following WFH year
A number of FTSE 100 companies have told the Evening Standard that flexible working plans are being looked at for post-pandemic
www.standard.co.uk
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
20k would be a "good" result, remember...
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
British Museum hit hardest by 2020 lockdown among UK’s big museums
Major UK institutions lost 78% of their visitors due to the pandemic last year, our research reveals
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
We're almost certainly closer to 200k than 150 based on just missing so many at the start and excess deaths.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I cannot make that claim. When I experimented with different sorts of data a week ago it was not hard to get over 160,000, but not by much. The actual number could be higher still, but I cannot say it is closer to 200,000 than 150,000. It might be, but I lack evidence. Partly because excess deaths cannot capture the full picture either, because there were long periods where less people than normal were dying from other causes.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
No we are not.
The 150k figure is for deaths with covid listed on the death certificate, around 125k are deaths with positive tests, excess deaths are around that figure.
COVID-19: How does the UK's death total really compare with other countries?
As the second wave, in "excess death" terms, ends, Sky's Ed Conway looks at how we have fared against others during the pandemic
elbows
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Just because, as per my previous post, I dont have evidence to make a fairly safe claim that there have been more than 175,000 covid-related UK deaths so far, does not mean that I think it really unlikely we've had that many. If someone asked me how confident I was that we've had less than 175,000 Covid-19 related deaths in the UK, my answer would have to be 'not confident at all'. I am reasonably confident there have been more than 160,000. I just cannot be at all sure quite how many more than that there have been.
elbows
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I cant read beyond the initial few words because of a paywall, but I'd say this isnt the thread for it, and there is actually nothing unsurprising about Qanon shit having some new age roots. Its hardly a new revelation.
elbows
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The last time I mentioned daily hospital admissions/diagnoses on this thread it was to point out that the figures for England had been around the same level for quite a number of days. I am pleased to say that this stopped being the case and they have dropped again since, so I thought I better mention it.
Cloo
Banana for scale
The fucking state of this:
Media willingly misunderstanding how viruses work a year into a fucking pandemic. No, Boris Johnson should not 'heed calls' to reopen earlier, because 7 weeks is plenty of time to lose everything we've gained. The point of fucking viruses is that until they're completely gone or everyone's immune they are not under control and can surge again. Grrrr.
Media willingly misunderstanding how viruses work a year into a fucking pandemic. No, Boris Johnson should not 'heed calls' to reopen earlier, because 7 weeks is plenty of time to lose everything we've gained. The point of fucking viruses is that until they're completely gone or everyone's immune they are not under control and can surge again. Grrrr.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The fucking state of this:
Media willingly misunderstanding how viruses work a year into a fucking pandemic. No, Boris Johnson should not 'heed calls' to reopen earlier, because 7 weeks is plenty of time to lose everything we've gained. The point of fucking viruses is that until they're completely gone or everyone's immune they are not under control and can surge again. Grrrr.
They arent even capable of being original, they used the exact same headline one day in February, which I had a go at back then. The difference is that on that occasion they underlined the word are:
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The fucking state of this:
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Media willingly misunderstanding how viruses work a year into a fucking pandemic. No, Boris Johnson should not 'heed calls' to reopen earlier, because 7 weeks is plenty of time to lose everything we've gained. The point of fucking viruses is that until they're completely gone or everyone's immune they are not under control and can surge again. Grrrr.
Grrr. They should be forced to print this on the front page instead, along with an explanation:
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think it's inevitable.
I've been pretty cautious with this whole thing throughout, and have taken a pretty science-led (well, @elbowsl led
) approach to it all...but I am going quietly spare, and as the weather improves, the pull to get out and meet people is becoming irresistible. Not that I'm likely to go full denier or anything, but I think we've done well to ensure the level of compliance we've managed for so long.I can't see that compliance, generally, continuing for all that much longer.
If you leave a bowl of sweets on the sideboard, and tell everyone not to eat them, you can't exactly be surprised if they start to disappear...
Like I said it is not surprising.
When I saw the sunshine yesterday was grabbing the camping chairs and shorts out the wardrobe. Personally I am not 'desperate' for large gatherings but fully understand people do. Few beers in the sun and most of us let our guards down.
When I saw the sunshine yesterday was grabbing the camping chairs and shorts out the wardrobe. Personally I am not 'desperate' for large gatherings but fully understand people do. Few beers in the sun and most of us let our guards down.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
I am very disturbed by that, WTF were they thinking, look at the rubbish left behind.
The age demographics say it all really with that shit in the park. The teens and young adults are pissed off. They want to see their friends, they want to party and have fun. Its must be really shit for them having all these life limiting restrictions in place for something that is little to no risk to you. I can see why this sort of thing happens and will continue to happen this summer.
I get that it must be really crap for them but yeah its not a great spectacle and combine that with leaving the parks looking like landfill (which happened a lot last Summer as well) there probably are going to have to be some local restrictions around drinking in public places etc.
I get that it must be really crap for them but yeah its not a great spectacle and combine that with leaving the parks looking like landfill (which happened a lot last Summer as well) there probably are going to have to be some local restrictions around drinking in public places etc.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Next it will be all the people going to beach or for a walk in the park complaining about all the people going to the beach or taking a walk in the park.
editor
hiraethified
Be a different story if it was my shop. Fucking selfish, stupid idiots. How much effort is it to stick on a fucking mask for 10 mins when you shop?
I think we've moved on a bit as science has progressed. Outdoors has been seen to be pretty safe unless you're all packed in together, whereas packing into a supermarket without masks is clearly stupid.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Good job nobody was doing anything like that in parks up and down the country yesterday and there’s not a hot and sunny bank holiday weekend coming up... oh.
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