cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
I don't understand where that figure comes from, nor the 53.2% or 26.7% mentioned above, I've done a 'Ctrl+F' for those figures and none of them show up on the page I am being served.
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I don't understand where that figure comes from, nor the 53.2% or 26.7% mentioned above, I've done a 'Ctrl+F' for those figures and none of them show up on the page I am being served.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I don't understand where that figure comes from, nor the 53.2% or 26.7% mentioned above, I've done a 'Ctrl+F' for those figures and none of them show up on the page I am being served.
If you put your postcode in the bar there it clicks through to more local stats - however it looks like it's stats for % population given first dose rather than % of over 50s which is what's on the first page.
So a bit confusing tbh, it's interesting but not what you'd call user friendly.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Not so easy on a mobileI don't.
Oh, hang on, are you not using a adblocker? I always assume everyone does.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Oh, I see, some people are doing it wrong.
The list on the page linked, is the percentage of people over 50 that have received their first jab by local authority area, as per link title.
If you put in your postcode, you are going down to ward level, which as you say is a % of the whole population, or maybe those over 16 or 18, but certainly not over 50s nor by local authority area.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Oh, I see, some people are doing it wrong.
I was using the search by postcode box, and I disagree with the characterisation 'people are doing it wrong', since you described the page with the words 'in your area' and that by postcode box was prominently displayed before the list further down the article. Its a dreadful website and regardless of this confusion between two different sorts of data, their MSOA numbers still dont match up with the NHS data I was cross-checking with, even when I allow for the original confusion by including under 50's. I will now check whether the numbers you actually meant for us to look at match up.
Looby
Well-Known Member
You really enjoy telling people too, don’t you?Oh, I see, some people are doing it wrong.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it is his role here
elbows
Well-Known Member
OK I've checked the numbers they listed in the main article and they do match up with the spreadsheet data I have.
However I would take the percentages they show with a big pinch of salt, because they've used ONS population estimates to calculate them, rather than the additional population data provided in the spreadsheet which comes from the national immunisation management system. This can make a fair difference, eg for my area they have 88.8% on that website, but using NIMS population estimates rather than ONS ones, I get a percentage more like 83.8%.
Its a shame the site doesnt do MSOA level of detail in this regard properly, because drilling down to that level of locality is likely to give people a better sense of how things are going for them locally. Quite a lot of important detail and clues are lost if we stick only to larger local authority areas, masking much detail when it comes to BAME populations, poverty etc, but local knowledge is required to get a sense of this.
Likely I will mess around with the raw spreadsheet data in the coming days and will be in a position to share MSOA-level data with people who are interested. But since there appear to be 6,791 MSOAs listed for England, I will probably have to take requests. For example if someone requests Lambeth, there are 35 MSOAs in that area that I can calculate the details for.
However I would take the percentages they show with a big pinch of salt, because they've used ONS population estimates to calculate them, rather than the additional population data provided in the spreadsheet which comes from the national immunisation management system. This can make a fair difference, eg for my area they have 88.8% on that website, but using NIMS population estimates rather than ONS ones, I get a percentage more like 83.8%.
Its a shame the site doesnt do MSOA level of detail in this regard properly, because drilling down to that level of locality is likely to give people a better sense of how things are going for them locally. Quite a lot of important detail and clues are lost if we stick only to larger local authority areas, masking much detail when it comes to BAME populations, poverty etc, but local knowledge is required to get a sense of this.
Likely I will mess around with the raw spreadsheet data in the coming days and will be in a position to share MSOA-level data with people who are interested. But since there appear to be 6,791 MSOAs listed for England, I will probably have to take requests. For example if someone requests Lambeth, there are 35 MSOAs in that area that I can calculate the details for.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Following on from yesterdays conversation, the ONS study, which is based on population sampling and so shouldnt be influenced by test-regime related changes over time, also found an uptick in 11-16 year olds.
Slight Covid uptick in older school children in England
Latest figures from the ONS hint at an increase in years 7 to 11 in schools in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
elbows
Well-Known Member
Two care home ataff arrested on suspicion of wilful neglect! This after 9 deaths at that home since February 25th, all of which are believed to be related to a Covid-19 outbreak.
Covid-19: Two staff held over Sidmouth care home deaths
A 57-year-old woman and a 30-year-old man who work at the home are arrested on suspicion of neglect.
www.bbc.co.uk
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Two care home ataff arrested on suspicion of wilful neglect! This after 9 deaths at that home since February 25th, all of which are believed to be related to a Covid-19 outbreak.
Covid-19: Two staff held over Sidmouth care home deaths
A 57-year-old woman and a 30-year-old man who work at the home are arrested on suspicion of neglect.www.bbc.co.uk
Yeah, heard that on R4, assume they must have broken isolation or something?
elbows
Well-Known Member
I started thinking about it and decided there is probably quite a long list of things people might have done/failed to do that could fall foul of the authorities, that may fit with what little we know about this case, but then I decided that I didnt really want to speculate.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
BCBlues
Lend us a Twenner
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
Easily saw more people without masks - with or without lanyards - at work today than I've seen since they were a public health requirement - it wasn't even close. I don't follow Facebook or Whatsapp (??) etc, but I'll assume some local researcher has been educating the masses.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
That's probably andrew on facebook. He has a Phd in Virulogy, gained over 4 months at the University of Youtube.
miss direct
misfungled
I've always found it ridiculous how early everything closes here in the UK. Want to get a coffee after 5? Tough, go to Wetherspoons. Need sanitary towels? Have to schlep to the big supermarket. In Turkey things stay open as long as there's a demand and it's much more convenient. Provides more work for the staff as well.
Willing to bet that nothing in Sheffield will stay open late though. Not many shops left in the city centre anyway.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
bit shit for the workers too, though many will appreciate the extra hours. but yes, quite like the idea.
miss direct
misfungled
Depends on the workers really. I'd hope that nobody would be forced into taking unsuitable hours.
Looby
Well-Known Member
They will be though. Or not given enough hours if they don’t take those.
Tough shout.
Lot of event and hospitality staff used to working unsociable hours in need of work. No doubt employers will carry on driving down rights
I work unsociable hours at the moment and hate but I am WFH
Depends where you live. Where I am, there are loads of local shops that are open till midnight and some even later. (The one two mins from my flat is open till 11pm, one five mins away is open till 12 or 1, the one a minute away from that is open till 2 I think. Another maybe 15 mins away is open all night I think.)
Ms Ordinary
randompointlesschemistry
No-one has ever worn masks or limited close contact within my workplace - when the office fully opened, it was around the end of last summer when schools were opening, & most people had school-age kids so (I think) thats why we ended up adopting more or less the same rules as were in schools.
Effectively treating the office like one big leaky bubble of about 10-12 people (plus half a dozen project managers making sporadic visits to the office, but spending the rest of the time out on various construction sites).
They did put a stop to unnecessary visitors though, limiting it to deliveries & essential only. And none of the (rare) essential visitors have ever been dissuaded from wearing a mask if they chose to.
Sales reps continued to turn up unannounced, all the way through, wearing masks but taking them off the moment they came inside... we put a complete stop to that after Christmas, but its been relaxed in the last week or so, and no one minds enough to complain. Rightly or wrongly, people look like they feel like its getting back to normal.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I forget what it’s like in the rest of the UK. I always thought the same when I lived there. Even in small towns in say Spain or Greece, all shop are open till much later.
Hackney there are lots of shops open after 5 but if you want to buy a dress or a pair of shoes at 7pm, it’s tomorrow or the weekend or drive to the lakeside.
miss direct
misfungled
Unsociable hours is a debatable term really. Nobody's socialising anyway at the moment. I would much rather work in the evenings than the mornings, personally. And as the clocks are changing tonight, it'll be light till around 8. I don't care about shopping but being able to get a coffee or snack from somewhere that isn't Tesco would be nice.
I do get that.
My team (16 until this week) are a mix of ages doing a mix of hours/days. Those under 30 have all resigned over the last few weeks. They want their social lives and I can't blame them.
Looby
Well-Known Member
It’s fine if it’s genuinely a preference but usually it isn’t. My friends in retail were the ones missing out of family Boxing Day, going home early because they always had to work weekends and never having the same days off as their partners/friends. Same when I did care work.
They all hated it and until they got to supervisor/manager they had zero choice in their hours.
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