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And the deaths by date of death is showing over 1000 for two consecutive dates, even with the 28 day testing limit on that version of the data.

Normally I would wait till the figures start catching up on Tuesday, at which point I would reset my colour-coded graph, but given the levels reached I will share todays one despite my messy use of colours.

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Christ alive, what a tedious cunt.
I know we have our own pedantic contrarians in here, but fuck me, he's a grade A one.
Kind of interesting that he started out by complaining that the post was a tedious one written by a know-nothing, and has then proceeded, with consistent tediousness, to demonstrate the shallowness of his own knowledge... :D
 
Concerns have been raised about employees forced to go into workplaces that are not Covid-compliant during lockdown.
Between 6 and 14 January, the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) received 2,945 complaints about safety issues.
The head of the UK's unions called for ministers to crack down on employers "who break Covid safety rules".

Finally a bit more focus on this side of things. Too little, too late, and only just bubbling up in the press now that we find ourselves in an emergency situation. Some of these violations should be made an example of.

 
my local council sends a weekly news update e-mail round.

they are recruiting covid lateral flow test centre staff on a 12 month contract

:eek:
 
A new report says the number of deaths is higher than we thought. One in 8 of those who are hospitalised and recover end up dying within months because the virus gives them organ damage or diabetes. I can't find the original report, only the Telegraph seems to know about it. The Mail has done a story based on the Telegraph's piece.

The Telegraph's coverage:

Almost a third of recovered Covid patients will end up back in hospital within five months and one in eight will die, alarming new figures have shown.

Research by Leicester University and the Office for National Statistics (ONS) found there is a devastating long-term toll on survivors of severe coronavirus, with many people developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions.

Out of 47,780 people who were discharged from hospital in the first wave, 29.4 per cent were readmitted to hospital within 140 days, and 12.3 per cent of the total died.

The current cut-off point for recording Covid deaths is 28 days after a positive test, so it may mean thousands more people should be included in the coronavirus death statistics.

Study author Kamlesh Khunti, professor of primary care diabetes and vascular medicine at Leicester University, said: “This is the largest study of people discharged from hospital after being admitted with Covid.

“People seem to be going home, getting long-term effects, coming back in and dying. We see nearly 30 per cent have been readmitted, and that’s a lot of people. The numbers are so large.

“The message here is we really need to prepare for long Covid. It’s a mammoth task to follow up with these patients and the NHS is really pushed at the moment, but some sort of monitoring needs to be arranged.”

The study found that Covid survivors were nearly three and a half times more likely to be readmitted to hospital, and die, in the 140 days timeframe than other hospital outpatients.

Prof Khunti said the team had been surprised to find that many people were going back in with a new diagnosis, and many had developed heart, kidney and liver problems, as well as diabetes.

He said it was important to make sure people were placed on protective therapies, such as statins and aspirin.


Also in the Mail:

 
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Mixed news about the vaccine.
Dr Ravi Gupta - early data from his latest research into the new more transmissible “English variant” is showing the mutations did NOT effect the efficacy of the vaccines.

He’s also been looking at antibody responses to the vaccines and found a mixed picture in the over 80’s.
In just under half of cases they showed a suboptimal antibody response

Vaccine trials didn’t allow for this interval of 12 weeks before the 2nd dose..
His research will therefore be of great interest....
 
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Bbc coverage of new "mass" hubs
and areas working further down the priority groups (ie into the over 70s) as some places have jabbed 90% of their over 80s.
[and Brazil have just started jabs "today" ...]

Covid-19: Vaccination rollout begins for over-70s in England - BBC News
and
Covid vaccine: When will you be eligible? - BBC News

hubs - Covid: 10 new mass vaccination centres to open in England - BBC News
[that is now 17 hubs up & running ... will be interesting to see today's jabs totals later]
 
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It was always going to be like that. If a GP has booked all their 80+ in for appointments, they will merrily start doing their 70s. They’re not going to twiddle their thumbs until all the other centres have caught up. Since everywhere has a different age demographic etc there will always be ”unfairness” in some lower down the list getting it ahead of those above them.
 
A new report says the number of deaths is higher than we thought. One in 8 of those who are hospitalised and recover end up dying within months because the virus gives them organ damage or diabetes. I can't find the original report, only the Telegraph seems to know about it. The Mail has done a story based on the Telegraph's piece.

The Telegraph's coverage:




Also in the Mail:


This is the study:

 
Makes a lot of sense. Steve Bruce the NUFC manager was saying how it's taken some of their players out of the game and they don't know when they are coming back. If it can do that to elite athletes if you weren't very well before you got sick. Surviving covid might not be the end of the struggle and you may still lose.
 
This is the study:

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So how many do we add to the total deaths number?
 
So how many do we add to the total deaths number?

Not easy, the sort of thing that we will get estimates of in future years, probably along with estimates as to how life expectancy has decreased as a result of the pandemic.

Total deaths from all causes and excess deaths are one way to attempt to capture the picture. But initial phases of recession, and lockdowns, are expected to result in less deaths from non-Covid causes than normal. And there seem to have been negligible flu deaths this winter so far. So comparing excess deaths to other years or total deaths to other years is not expected to fully capture the picture.
 
Tracing seems to have been entirely forgotten in the uk even though it will presumably be super important for some time yet. Is any resource being put into it at all? Has it occurred to anyone with responsibility to, you know, tie in vaccination with better tracing efforts?
 
Tracing seems to have been entirely forgotten in the uk even though it will presumably be super important for some time yet. Is any resource being put into it at all? Has it occurred to anyone with responsibility to, you know, tie in vaccination with better tracing efforts?

Contact tracing systems arent a big part of the solution during really high peaks, lockdowns etc. Even good ones, which ours wasnt, become akin to just pissing into a fire. Its when things start to decline below a certain level that tackling the pandemic by such means becomes more vital. So I would expect to hear more about this side of things again later.
 
Tracing seems to have been entirely forgotten in the uk even though it will presumably be super important for some time yet. Is any resource being put into it at all? Has it occurred to anyone with responsibility to, you know, tie in vaccination with better tracing efforts?
Contact tracing doesn't really work at the peaks of epidemics. It's more for the bits in between where you're trying to reduce it as low a level as possible.
 
My GP has apparently vaccinated all the over 80s on their books so is starting on the 70s.
Not sure what the alternative would be? Wait for everyone else to catch up? Start bussing in 80 somethings from surrounding areas :confused:
I suppose the alternative would have been a consistent, coherent and equitable roll-out across the whole country based upon delivery through primary health-care and community health, but the tories' ideologically driven 'reforms' to PHC meant that no consistent, nationwide delivery could be effected.
 
I suppose the alternative would have been a consistent, coherent and equitable roll-out across the whole country based upon delivery through primary health-care and community health, but the tories' ideologically driven 'reforms' to PHC meant that no consistent, nationwide delivery could be effected.
I think having vaccinations done through GP makes sense though - they already have mass vaccination experience doing flu jabs.
 
I suppose the alternative would have been a consistent, coherent and equitable roll-out across the whole country based upon delivery through primary health-care and community health, but the tories' ideologically driven 'reforms' to PHC meant that no consistent, nationwide delivery could be effected.

It's never going to work like that on a national level. There's too many variables like population density, travel to clinic time, etc. People are being invited for vaccination pre-emptively in areas near to finishing one of the categories so there's reduced waiting time between that and the next cohort. The alternative would be send letters out once all the previous cohort was done, which would see a delay.
 
It's never going to work like that on a national level. There's too many variables like population density, travel to clinic time, etc. People are being invited for vaccination pre-emptively in areas near to finishing one of the categories so there's reduced waiting time between that and the next cohort. The alternative would be send letters out once all the previous cohort was done, which would see a delay.
Same variable apply to flu vaccines, though? Surely, the existing PHC infrastructure should have been the first port of call?
 
I think having vaccinations done through GP makes sense though - they already have mass vaccination experience doing flu jabs.

They are being partly done through GPs, but GPs are also massively swamped with other stuff, so it's also good that mass vaccination centres and pharmacies are being used. I'm all for community bases for some areas, but it does seem to be working well as it is for the moment.
 
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