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Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not working with any consistency, though.
I have elderly relatives who've had both Pfizers, one Pfizer and some who've not even heard at all from their GPs (?). very distressing and anxiety inducing for 90 year olds to feel that they've been overlooked when they hear about the 70+ getting theirs.
It's a bit of a shitshow; who'd have thought that the Tories would fuck this up as well?
prunus
Tick tock.
I did have an inkling...
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
If there was a system that meant every last 80+ year old would have it before they started 70+ year olds, whilst at the same time mainting the overall vaccination rate, I'm sure people would be arguing for it.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Well exactly, I mean in terms of it would be good to hear rather than 'vaccination will solve everything', 'we are strengthening the tracking and tracing system so that we can work our way out of lockdown' . It sounded like they had got to much better contact rates once they started taking it a household at a time rather than calling one household multiple times, so maybe they could do more good this year.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
How is someone not hearing from their GP anything to do with the Tories though? I have no idea why some people haven't heard, but there's all sorts of reasons why that might be case. Has someone chased it up with their GP for them?
Some GPs have also gone against advice and given second doses when they have been told not to which has caused confusion, and although that was a bit of a quick change it was down to the advice from the regulators, and that came at the last minute after consultations and discussions.
Hoping for consistency is wrong headed. Speed is the thing by which it should be judged, and it'll move at different rates in different areas for a mix of reasons. And it will get better as time goes on.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Kind of demonstrates that there's not a coherent, planned and fair distribution of vaccine across the country.
souljacker
innit
They didn't do that with me and my Mrs. We both got calls and were both 'legally responsible' to ensure our kids isolated but with different end dates. It wasn't joined up at all even though we had both given the same details.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
It demonstrates nothing of the sort, simply that you don't appear to understand the logistics of it.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Nah, that's bollox.
Some GPs decided to go ahead with second Pfizers that had been booked before Hancock's arbitrary January 4th change of heart for the very good reason that it was completely fucking unreasonable to fuck around the oldest/most vulnerable cohort and confuse them any more than necessary. The government fucked that up from the get go.
Consistency is an obvious goal of having a National health service in the first place.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'll try and learn all about that then...so that I can explain to why 90 year old rellies why they've heard fuck all about their vaccines.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Why doesn't someone contact their GP? Might be as simple as they haven't got the right updated contact details for them.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Yes you do that, because the government have clearly stated they don't expect to complete that age group until mid-February, so if your relatives haven't picked this up and are anxious, someone should explain it to them.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, the stupid old fuckers.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It wasn't an arbitrary date change and it wasn't a random decision, it was a decision taken to protect as many people as possible as quickly as possible with the vaccination program. As for consistency... once one area has done all their category 1, should they wait for the rest of the country to catch up so they can all start category 2 together? Or is speed more important than consistency?
There's so many good criticisms of the Tories and their handling of the pandemic, I think you've a bit lost sight and sense with the stuff you're saying here tbh. It reads like you're upset and angry about some relatives and are extrapolating this to some wider vaccine issue which isn't correct imo.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The UK is miles ahead of the rest of Europe on vaccinations. For once it seems not to be completely screwing things up. It's an emergency; it seems right to aim for speed over consistency, if that allows more people to be vaccinated more quickly. Those in the most vulnerable groups also benefit from people in less vulnerable groups being vaccinated.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
On reflection, you may well be right about that.
But, the Therese Coffey intervention demonstrates that I'm not alone in thinking that the execution and messaging around the delivery has fallen short of reassuring many oldies.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
On reflection, you may well be right about that.
But, the Therese Coffey intervention demonstrates that I'm not alone in thinking that the execution and messaging around the delivery has fallen short of reassuring many oldies.
Sorry if I was harsh, I know it's a really tough time. I'd phone that GP and hassle them a bit, they can (like us all) be a bit useless sometimes.
Boudicca
Seaside Queen
At the moment, I think it's more about certain GPs or NHS regions being very quick off the mark. For instance, my doctors surgery got together with other local surgeries and the doctors all gave up their weekend to vaccinate as many as they could.
I'd hope that some of the regions which are behind will catch up once some of the big vaccination centres start working.
I'd hope that some of the regions which are behind will catch up once some of the big vaccination centres start working.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Plus, of course, the Pfizer vaccine can't really be delivered via GP surgeries, as they don't have the cryogenic storage it needs...
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Have you met some of those older GPs though? I think some of them have been in cryogenic storage themselves.
my parents’ GP surgery in a rural area has the Pfizer vaccine, which surprised me when they told me they had that one. Hopefully they follow the recommended 3 week interval rather than wait for 12 weeks for the second jab.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It's bound to vary a bit in different areas, remember GPs are private contractors and will operate at different speeds for various reasons.
Also depends if you are near a mass vaccination centre yet, these are still being rolled out as supplies of vaccine increases.
Plus they are still training the newly recruited vaccinators, my SiL is only getting her stabbing training today, over in Brighton.
The roll-out seems to be going very well to me, thanks to the NHS being in overall control, and assisted by army logistics experts.
Also depends if you are near a mass vaccination centre yet, these are still being rolled out as supplies of vaccine increases.
Plus they are still training the newly recruited vaccinators, my SiL is only getting her stabbing training today, over in Brighton.
The roll-out seems to be going very well to me, thanks to the NHS being in overall control, and assisted by army logistics experts.
Imagine how good it would be if they were properly funded
elbows
Well-Known Member
Drakeford put his foot in it.
Covid vaccine: Health minister denies jabs being held back
Earlier the first minister said he did not want vaccinators "standing around with nothing to do".
www.bbc.co.uk
2hats
Dust.
FTFY.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I suspect there are going to be phases in this, with regard to comparisons (talking generally as opposed to the official phases of the vaccination programme). Firstly, we are reasonably ahead of other countries as you say in terms of the initial push to get the most vulnerable vaccinated. Then there will be the mass roll out of the different age groups. Then it will be a case of comparing which countries do best with regard to the hesitant, those not on GP lists, those who are suspicious of public authorities etc. Ultimately, I suspect more equal societies and those with a stronger sense of community will do better with that final phase. That's the point where the UK might start to lose it's advantage.
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