Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[quimcunx]

It's hard to imagine all those depots and warehouses are 'covid safe' when online shopping must be at an all time high but deliveries are still fairly timely. Amazon still offers its next day prime service.

 

[William of Walworth]

Artaxerxes :
The Vit D tablets that we've started buying/taking quite recently were sold out of two stores today (our local Swansea mini-chain, and Superdrug).

I'm sure demand has been growing, but I suspect knowledge of the reputed benefits of Vitsmin D may have been spreading.
This quite-convincing article in last weeks Observer, despite the fact that a Brexiter Tory MP features prominently in it ( ) was what led me to think 'does sound good, and what harm can Vit D do'?

I remain quite cautious, but festivaldeb is much more enthusiastic -- and she's generally a dodgy-remedy-opponent too.

Despite (or because!) of the fact that we visit Glastonbury town often in normal times!

 

[Treacle Toes]

Re: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/16/covid-vaccine-black-people-unlikely-covid-jab-uk


What a bunch of spineless gits in here, the people mentioned in the survey are idiots OK and all you can do is bait me (I know what you are trying to do, its obvious and im not that fucking stupid)
Oh and Numbers its a link...but then you knew that

People are spineless for asking you to share an opinion about the article you posted?

You aren't being baited you twit you are being exposed...by your own pathetic ego.

Did you even read the article? Do you even understand why people are reluctant to be vaccinated? I'm not sure you do.

Keep posting though.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Artaxerxes :
The Vit D tablets that we've started buying/taking quite recently were sold out of two stores today (our local Swansea mini-chain, and Superdrug).

I'm sure demand has been growing, but I suspect knowledge of the reputed benefits of Vitsmin D may have been spreading.
This quite-convincing article in last weeks Observer, despite the fact that a Brexiter Tory MP features prominently in it ( ) was what led me to think 'does sound good, and what harm can Vit D do'?

I remain quite cautious, but festivaldeb is much more enthusiastic -- and she's generally a dodgy-remedy-opponent too.

Despite (or because!) of the fact that we visit Glastonbury town often in normal times!

I've been taking them even before Rona, off and on, but free is free so put a claim in.

Really anyone living in the UK should be taking them in winter anyway I think.

 

[Cloo]

I need to start taking mine again - we have jelly ones for the kids that we had to remind them to only have to 2 a day they're supposed to. I read a report saying when it comes to lowering COVID risk research found that don't have much effect for men but do for women and I don't think they're sure why there is this difference... can't find the report now.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Vit D is very cheap to buy yourself btw. I got 90 x 10 microgram tabs (the recommended daily) for about three quid.

 

[Wilf]

Re: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/16/covid-vaccine-black-people-unlikely-covid-jab-uk


What a bunch of spineless gits in here, the people mentioned in the survey are idiots OK and all you can do is bait me (I know what you are trying to do, its obvious and im not that fucking stupid)
Oh and Numbers its a link...but then you knew that

So, you've read this bit, had a good think about this bit and rejected it, yes?

Historical issues of unethical healthcare research, and structural and institutional racism and discrimination, are key reasons for lower levels of trust in the vaccination programme, a report from Sage said.

Maybe you need to get on to Sage and point out the mistakes they've made. Or, alternatively, maybe you just need to fuck off.

 

[William of Walworth]

Vit D is very cheap to buy yourself btw. I got 90 x 10 microgram tabs (the recommended daily) for about three quid.

True -- that's the same cost as our low-cost** 'Valupak' tubs

**(and for now sold-out)

 

[Orang Utan]

I’ve been taking Vit D for a year or two and after being diagnosed with an insufficiency and felt better quite quickly - didn’t get ill as much and had fewer musculoskeletal problems. Mind you, my back and shoulder are still fucked but that’s cos of what I’ve been doing to them and cos I’m rubbish at doing the supporting work of developing the muscles needed to support them

 

[Orang Utan]

So, you've read this bit, had a good think about this bit and rejected it, yes?

Maybe you need to get on to Sage and point out the mistakes they've made. Or, alternatively, maybe you just need to fuck off.

Indeed, look up the Tuskegee Syphilis Study and Henrietta Lacks and then think on about why ethnic minorities might be distrustful of authorities wielding hypodermic syringes

 

[Orang Utan]

I’ve been taking Vit D for a year or two and after being diagnosed with an insufficiency and felt better quite quickly - didn’t get ill as much and had fewer musculoskeletal problems. Mind you, my back and shoulder are still fucked but that’s cos of what I’ve been doing to them and cos I’m rubbish at doing the supporting work of developing the muscles needed to support them

Do be careful though. Don’t overdo it. My sister has some terrible health issues from taking too much of it.

 

[StoneRoad]

I've finally started with supplements (mainly for Vits B & D) but I still have quite a tan from the summer ...

 

[xenon]

Do be careful though. Don’t overdo it. My sister has some terrible health issues from taking too much of it.

this is what has put me off trying it. I mean it seems pretty reasonable that I would be lacking vitamin di. I am pale, don’t stay outside much even in regular times.

but I already take a multivitamin and assumed surely it would include the RDA of vitamin di

 

[FridgeMagnet]

There is a huge gap between recommended/sensible dose and too much with vit D - just don't completely bomb the stuff. I'm taking one a day of the 10 mikes and one extra if I feel like I may be coming down with something (probably that is just placebo tbh but it makes me feel better). You have to go ten times that regularly before it's harmful. Some of the pills on Amazon do have a huge dose though.

eta: this is the NHS page on vit D - Vitamins and minerals - Vitamin D

 

[Orang Utan]

this is what has put me off trying it. I mean it seems pretty reasonable that I would be lacking vitamin di. I am pale, don’t stay outside much even in regular times.

but I already take a multivitamin and assumed surely it would include the RDA of vitamin di

That’s fine then. You’re taking enough

 

[Orang Utan]

There is a huge gap between recommended/sensible dose and too much with vit D - just don't completely bomb the stuff. I'm taking one a day of the 10 mikes and one extra if I feel like I may be coming down with something (probably that is just placebo tbh but it makes me feel better). You have to go ten times that regularly before it's harmful. Some of the pills on Amazon do have a huge dose though.

eta: this is the NHS page on vit D - Vitamins and minerals - Vitamin D

Aye, but if you do take too much, it’s is really harmful. Just take the RDA and you’ll be fine. If you do have an insufficiency or a deficiency, your GP will prescribe you a higher dose but you will only be expected to take it for three months or so.

 

[weltweit]

I was taking a multivitamin which gave RDA of a whole pile of vitamins.

Only gave 50% RDA of Vitamin A though because more can cause problems.

Went out of stock so I stopped, meant to find more but didn't get round to it.

 

[xenon]

The one I’ve got has extra iron. I forget why I thought I needed extra iron at the time. Actually this was about a year ago when I wasn’t sure I would be able to get supermarket deliveries. It’s a big box.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Aye, but if you do take too much, it’s is really harmful. Just take the RDA and you’ll be fine. If you do have an insufficiency or a deficiency, your GP will prescribe you a higher dose but you will only be expected to take it for three months or so.

Yeah definitely be careful - the top results on Amazon are high strength pills which you really don't want.

 

[ice-is-forming]

This is on the wrong thread, but it's about the possible vitamin D connection. In Brisbane a week ago they went into a rapid 3 day hard lock down, because someone who worked at a quarantine hotel had a positive test for the UK varient. They'd been in the community for six days..in crowded shopping centres and on crowded buses and trains, before it was diagnosed. But only her partner has been detected as catching it from her. A week later Brisbane is out of lockdown and just continuing to wear masks for another week. Brisbane has a population of 2.5 million

 

[Orang Utan]

What’s the relevance with Vit D though? Envying Oz’s numbers!

 

[ice-is-forming]

What’s the relevance with Vit D though? Envying Oz’s numbers!

Well Qld is the Sunshine state so everyone is probably at peak Vitamin D.

 

[Hyperdark]

The levels of Vit D intake needed to cause Toxicity are huge, even the 4000 Iu tabs seem safe

How Much Vitamin D is Too Much? The Surprising Truth

 

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[Hyperdark]

When people, either through their own experiences or through learning about history, or more likely some combination of both, end up with many good reasons to mistrust authorities and fear the institutional racism that plagues them, dont be surprised if that leaks into other areas of life. Faith in things will not be restored by labelling people idiots out of your own ignorance.

I linked to a study, if your racial bias wont allow you to accept any information that includes differences between certain racial groups then that is a your problem, they exist, its factual and is not in my mind a great excuse for you or anyone else to engage in playground name calling

 

[kabbes]

Really good point made by Pagelmeister in the Indy sage presentation today. Vaccinating the older population will help the death figures but really won't impact #'s in ICU's / admissions for some time.

The age breakdown of the population and their representation in terms of cases, admissions and deaths shown in this graph.

Depends what you mean by "the older population", surely? That graph indicates that if you can immunise the 65+ category, hospital admissions would reduce by two-thirds and ICU admissions by about 43%-ish. That's all very significant.

If the "older population" means 75+, however, the impact on ICU admissions will obviously be much smaller.

 

[BlanketAddict]

I've been taking Vit D and Zinc tablets for a while now. I feel better but who knows with these things, a lot of it could be mental positivity.

Was also encouraged to read that us redheads can generate our own Vit D!
As I tell my friends, we're humans 2.0, just don't leave us out in the sun

 

[zora]

Depends what you mean by "the older population", surely? That graph indicates that if you can immunise the 65+ category, hospital admissions would reduce by two-thirds and ICU admissions by about 43%-ish. That's all very significant.

If the "older population" means 75+, however, the impact on ICU admissions will obviously be much smaller.

Of course there will be some impact. But iirc the point in the Independent Sage meeting was made in the context of what this means for the wider epidemiological situation.
We have to consider that hospitals' ICU capacity has been hugely expanded at the expense of other services, level of patient care and staff wellbeing, so to keep even half of current ICU admisssions coming into ICU (and, as I understand, in that age group often staying for a long time) is way too many.
Also I think it was meant to illustrate that we cannot afford to have this number go up at all. So while we should see a big drop in deaths once the 70/75+ groups are vaccinated, it's not like restrictions can be readily released then, because these stats show that if the virus was once more left to rip through the age group 45-64, ICU admissions would be way too high to be sustainable.

 

[Uncle Fester]

There is a huge gap between recommended/sensible dose and too much with vit D - just don't completely bomb the stuff. I'm taking one a day of the 10 mikes and one extra if I feel like I may be coming down with something (probably that is just placebo tbh but it makes me feel better). You have to go ten times that regularly before it's harmful. Some of the pills on Amazon do have a huge dose though.

eta: this is the NHS page on vit D - Vitamins and minerals - Vitamin D

Found another interesting NHS link - research is ongoing:

Vitamin D and B12 Levels – a Clue to Severity of Respiratory COVID-19 [COVID-19]

www.hra.nhs.uk

Epidemiological research has identified vitamin D as a risk factor for more severe COVID-19. Very early clinical studies show an association between low vitamin D levels and more severe disease and death from the virus. For vitamin B12, early computer modelling and laboratory-based research indicate that vitamin B12 may bind to at least one of the viral proteins and thereby slow down viral replication.

I guess B12 deficiency is probably more of a problem for a veggie/vegan diet (i'm veggie).
Been taking "Prime 50" multivitamins for a few weeks now - they contain 20ug of 'D', so just one every other day.