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British police said on Thursday they had arrested two men on suspicion of distributing a leaflet with material that appeared to compare the COVID-19 vaccination to the Holocaust. The men, aged 73 and 37, are accused of circulating the leaflet in south London in late January.

According to the Evening Standard newspaper, the leaflet featured a cartoon of the Auschwitz death camp where more than 1.1 million people, mostly Jews, perished, with the sign above its gate changed from “Arbeit macht frei” (work sets you free) to "Vaccines are safe path to freedom".

"Absolutely sickened by anti-vax conspiracy theory crackpot leaflets put through some doors today," one local lawmaker Neil Coyle said on Twitter on Sunday. "Hideous imagery and asking (police) for action against these disgusting, dangerous cranks."
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UK police arrest two over leaflets comparing COVID vaccinations to Holocaust

British police said on Thursday they had arrested two men on suspicion of distributing a leaflet with material that appeared to compare the COVID-19 vaccination to the Holocaust. The men, aged 73 and 37, are accused of circulating the leaflet in south London in late January. According to the...
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cupid_stunt said:
Just when you think the crackpots can't get any worst...



uk.news.yahoo.com

UK police arrest two over leaflets comparing COVID vaccinations to Holocaust

British police said on Thursday they had arrested two men on suspicion of distributing a leaflet with material that appeared to compare the COVID-19 vaccination to the Holocaust. The men, aged 73 and 37, are accused of circulating the leaflet in south London in late January. According to the...
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One of them presumably Corbyn
 
Sorry, can't find them easily but interested to know, what are the theories being targeted at BAME communities - that they're being given placebos? Having an experimental, dangerous vaccine tried out on them? That vaccines are dangerous to certain communities but no one checked? All of the above?

I would presume most could be answered with the fact that under the circumstances it would make no sense to leave any group unvaccinated or with an untested vaccine as it would just endanger everyone and prevent the crisis getting under control - regardless of how racist people/society may be, it just wouldn't make sense to do it.

But I do get that BAME people have been fucked about with enough historically to be doubtful, which I was explaining to my mum about when she was expressing disbelief as to why people would turn it down.
 
Cloo said:
Sorry, can't find them easily but interested to know, what are the theories being targeted at BAME communities - that they're being given placebos? Having an experimental, dangerous vaccine tried out on them? That vaccines are dangerous to certain communities but no one checked? All of the above?

I would presume most could be answered with the fact that under the circumstances it would make no sense to leave any group unvaccinated or with an untested vaccine as it would just endanger everyone and prevent the crisis getting under control - regardless of how racist people/society may be, it just wouldn't make sense to do it.

But I do get that BAME people have been fucked about with enough historically to be doubtful, which I was explaining to my mum about when she was expressing disbelief as to why people would turn it down.
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You might find this Telegraph article surprisingly informative:

How Croydon became a hotbed of vaccine misinformation
 
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Cloo said:
Sorry, can't find them easily but interested to know, what are the theories being targeted at BAME communities - that they're being given placebos? Having an experimental, dangerous vaccine tried out on them? That vaccines are dangerous to certain communities but no one checked? All of the above?

I would presume most could be answered with the fact that under the circumstances it would make no sense to leave any group unvaccinated or with an untested vaccine as it would just endanger everyone and prevent the crisis getting under control - regardless of how racist people/society may be, it just wouldn't make sense to do it.

But I do get that BAME people have been fucked about with enough historically to be doubtful, which I was explaining to my mum about when she was expressing disbelief as to why people would turn it down.
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I want to respond to this but I’m still not sure what to say about the stuff I’m hearing in Brixton. I’m listening, even though I’m finding it increasingly difficult to do so.

All I can say is that it’s complicated and complex, and made more so by the fact that by and large it’s white people trying to counter it.
 
Four older workers at my workplace have now been infected and recovered. Yesterday evening we had a discussion about vaccines, disbelief in the virus being real etc, and several times the opinion was voiced that many were nowadays leaving school without having been taught about vaccines, Jenner, the history of medicine etc.

Not sure if this a factor or not but it would be interesting to have surveys of basic public knowledge to find out how much is known about the world in general, eg how many know what causes the seasons etc.

Have now met a few people who admit to all kinds of odd ideas about Covid and vaccines. They've not been brainwashed or forcefed misinformation but instead say they have actively sought out these notions. They're proud of their er research efforts and very much want to claim responsibility for them!
 
Doodler said:
Four older workers at my workplace have now been infected and recovered. Yesterday evening we had a discussion about vaccines, disbelief in the virus being real etc, and several times the opinion was voiced that many were nowadays leaving school without having been taught about vaccines, Jenner, the history of medicine etc.

Not sure if this a factor or not but it would be interesting to have surveys of basic public knowledge to find out how much is known about the world in general, eg how many know what causes the seasons etc.

Have now met a few people who admit to all kinds of odd ideas about Covid and vaccines. They've not been brainwashed or forcefed misinformation but instead have actively sought out these notions.
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A lack of basic understanding about health and medicine is widespread among the population. On the bed of that it's much easier for nonsense to take hold.
 
Cloo said:
Sorry, can't find them easily but interested to know, what are the theories being targeted at BAME communities - that they're being given placebos? Having an experimental, dangerous vaccine tried out on them? That vaccines are dangerous to certain communities but no one checked? All of the above?
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It's such a mix of things, and some people hold different and sometimes contradictory positions about it. I've not come across people with ideas that BAME people are being targeted for fake vaccines/vaccines of covid/they're being experimented on/etc.

IME it's all been a mix of natural medicine is best so vaccines are not needed, some misconception about the ingredients making it unsafe or not suitable for them (religious or ethical reasons), covid is a fake, some vague generalized fear and lack of understanding about it, or something specific like how they'll change your DNA. And people flip between them sometimes, or have bits of all of them in their heads.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
A lack of basic understanding about health and medicine is widespread among the population. On the bed of that it's much easier for nonsense to take hold.
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That makes sense. One thing I am not sure about was the workplace discussion view that people now left school knowing less about vaccines/medicine than when we left school decades ago. There is an obvious golden age/kids today angle which ought to be checked against.
 
There's also very large difference in cultural understandings and expectations of medicine. Having worked abroad and in the UK in medicine, sometimes people's understandings, expectations, and reactions can be really shocking.
 
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