RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
I have saved the articles and will read them in due course. So, forgive me, but what's the conclusion? Most of the science community think it was natural, but one or two dissent and think it was manufactured?
Coronavirus Conspiracy Corner
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SheilaNaGig
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There is absolutely zero evidence that the virus has been tampered with in any way at all. Quite the r verse, there is ample evidence that the virus has NOT been tampered with or changed. Even the Daily Mail agrees with this (while trying to make it controversial by adding in “spies”). (And of course the Express is going with the other view, which is yet more proof that it’s not true).
Why You Shouldn't Fall for COVID-19 'Bioweapon' Conspiracy Theory
The coronavirus responsible for COVID-19 has deadly adaptations that make it perfect for infecting humans. But this is a testament to natural selection, not bioengineering.
www.snopes.com
A study has not claimed the new coronavirus was ‘genetically engineered for efficient spread in humans’ - Full Fact
The Daily Express has wrongly reported the findings of new research which compared SARS-CoV-2 with other coronaviruses.
fullfact.org
The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here's how we know.
The persistent myth can be put to bed.
Intelligence report concludes Covid-19 was not 'manmade or genetically modified' – as it happened
Office of director of US intelligence releases statement after Trump reportedly asked officials to investigate whether virus was made in Chinese lab
Coronavirus is NOT 'man-made or genetically modified,' U.S. spies say
A statement on behalf of all the U.S. spy agencies acting in concert says they agree with the 'wide scientific consensus' that Covid-19 is not man-made but could have come from the Wuhan lab (pictured.)
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Japanese Nobel laureate did not say the coronavirus is not natural
CLAIM: Nobel prize winner Dr. Tasuku Honjo said that the coronavirus is not natural and is completely artificial. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The doctor denied that he made that statement circulating online. THE FACTS: Posts with the fabricated quote were shared thousands of times on Facebook and...
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SheilaNaGig
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He didn’t change his mind. He never said it.
No, Japan’s Nobel laureate Honjo did not say coronavirus ‘unnatural’, made in China
“Japan's Nobel prize winning Professor of Medicine, Professor Dr Tasuku Honjo, created a sensation today by saying that the Coronavirus is not natural,” s...
SheilaNaGig
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Better, in the way the article is worded. But it's that "unsubstantiated claims" bit that especially makes it sound like he's been sat on, rather than that he didn't say it or doesn't believe it's true.
This is going to become a total nightmare
Yep.
Lord Sugar criticised for sharing Covid-19 falsehoods on Twitter
Apprentice star tweeted claim allegedly from a Japanese scientist saying pandemic was man-made
Lord Sugar later tweeted to say that he believed his earlier tweet to be “fake news”, but defended his decision to share it. He wrote: “I just passed it on. I didn’t write it.”
When Lord Sugar was asked by one Twitter user what the source of the information in his original tweet was, he replied, “who knows?”.
In a separate post addressing someone who had told him to “concentrate on removing fake news from your feed”, he said: “Shut your face.”
RedRedRose
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Thanks. I have now read the related articles.
The fact that the disinformation spreading on the scientist even got his working credentials wrong is very suspect. Presumably manufactured to give the story more weight.
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hiraethified
Just putting this here fr references because a growing number of people are suddenly putting all their faith in these two EXPERTS while simultaneously choosing to ignore the opinions of every expert on the planet
www.upworthy.com
Medical associations 'jointly and emphatically condemn' statements from Bakersfield doctors on lockdown
The organizations called two physicians' viral video claims "reckless and untested musings."
www.upworthy.com
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Love this bit :-Just putting this here fr references because a growing number of people are suddenly putting all their faith in these two EXPERTS while simultaneously choosing to ignore the opinions of every expert on the planet
Medical associations 'jointly and emphatically condemn' statements from Bakersfield doctors on lockdown
The organizations called two physicians' viral video claims "reckless and untested musings."
Estimating that fraction infected from patients at an urgent care facility is a bit like estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.
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hiraethified
Interesting piece here
"Some purveyors of "wellness" sure are sounding like right-wing conspiracy theorists."
bigthink.com
"Some purveyors of "wellness" sure are sounding like right-wing conspiracy theorists."
Why are conspiracy theories rampant in the 'wellness' industry? Welcome to conspirituality
Some purveyors of "wellness" sure are sounding like right-wing conspiracy theorists.
bigthink.com
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Batshit hateful drivel:
bimble
floofy
This morning it all got very close to home & I don’t have any idea how to deal with it. My mum sent on a YouTube video which she got from her nutty trump-liking sister in America. It’s now been taken down for misinformation but I’ve found it. Basically it’s all a plot to make money by forcing us to get pointless vaccines, masks will give you the virus (yes really) etc. Fauci is in on it so is Gates.
Star of video is someone with dr in her name and a very dodgy past (judy mikovitz by name).
Thing is I have absolutely no idea how to counter this.
Sending her facts doesn’t work.
Ridiculing her doesn’t help.
Honestly quite freaked out about it as is my cousin (nutty aunt’s sane son).
Seriously if anyone has a real idea of how to make someone reject this shit once they’ve already started buying into it tell me please.
She actually texted me back with something including how it’s good to be sceptical of mainstream media, just total defensiveness.
She’s 74.
Star of video is someone with dr in her name and a very dodgy past (judy mikovitz by name).
Thing is I have absolutely no idea how to counter this.
Sending her facts doesn’t work.
Ridiculing her doesn’t help.
Honestly quite freaked out about it as is my cousin (nutty aunt’s sane son).
Seriously if anyone has a real idea of how to make someone reject this shit once they’ve already started buying into it tell me please.
She actually texted me back with something including how it’s good to be sceptical of mainstream media, just total defensiveness.
She’s 74.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Was it the one I posted upthread? Coronavirus Conspiracy Corner.
If your mother can actually stand listening to that tirade for half an hour without thinking there is a screw loose, maybe you could try Judy Mikovits Wikipedia biography. Judy Mikovits - Wikipedia
The first reference at the bottom of that Wiki article is about a court case she was involved in where Mikovits was alleged to have tampered with data (about ME/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome - which she alleged was caused by retroviruses in mice)
Maybe if all else fails we could invite Miss Mikovits here. I have a collection of mice in need of retroviruses.
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hiraethified
This looks to be a good read and takedown of Judy Mikovits
bimble
floofy
Same thing same woman different video.
Sending facts and the woman’s highly bonkers biography and snopes debunking etc did not work. That’s the problem facts don’t do it. It’s infuriating but also in this case I’m really worried. If she truly believes it all she will refuse a mask and also a vaccine. Am desperate to find a way to talk her round that’s not condescending.
bimble
floofy
Great. Thank you. She will not read it but I can use it.
Lurdan
old wave
I see London Real, who seem to be going all-in on their new Corona cash cow, are interviewing Mikovits tomorrow 
Retraction Watch just published a round up of their previous articles about her. (Probably not of direct use in convincing 'independently minded' relatives though).
Who is Judy Mikovits? – Retraction Watch.
Retraction Watch just published a round up of their previous articles about her. (Probably not of direct use in convincing 'independently minded' relatives though).
Who is Judy Mikovits? – Retraction Watch.
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hiraethified
And:
www.snopes.com
Was a Scientist Jailed After Discovering a Deadly Virus Delivered Through Vaccines?
Judy Mikovits of the viral "Plandemic" video did not discover a deadly virus delivered through vaccines; she was arrested for allegedly stealing equipment belonging to the Institute that fired her.
www.snopes.com
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Well, that's the thing, the mainstream media is full of shit.
bimble
floofy
Yes, and somepeople are totally willing to kill people for money, directly or indirectly, and sometimes pharmaceutical companies push harmful drugs for profit, and people in power do lie all the time etc etc. That’s the thing it’s very hard to know how to approach the conversation.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
"Wellness" is basically health advice minus reality so can't say I'm surprised.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I like to start with "the fact that there are dodgy people in places of power up to nefarious things does not mean the first piece of shite your mate scrapes off Youtube and passes to you is The Truth".
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
One thing common to all conspiranoids (and a lot of people generally) is that they can be good at applying critical thinking to ideas, but only when it is something they do not want to believe.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
This loonspud is not medically qualified in any way.
8ball
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gosub
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When my best mate had a bike crash from which they switched him off four days later, his family received ,unsolicited phone call from one of Mr Gates personal physicians running what had happened and what could be done, nothing as it turned out, but the family really appreciated it. The phone calls happened coz best mates girlfriend's brother is a bit of thing when it comes to infectious diseases and had just left Oxford to work out of Seattle. Mr Gates is not a psychopath .
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