laptop said:Shhhhh!
We're in the middle of a truly noetic remetaconscientisation here!
You could be right. But I say that the quickest way is via Stockwell applying the noetic metaremeta rules (2nd version 1978)
laptop said:Shhhhh!
We're in the middle of a truly noetic remetaconscientisation here!
siarc said:this is largely outside of my concerns, and whilst i imagine neutral monism and post-quantum theory will eventually reconcile themselves, the teleological can exist inside a framework for true noetic growth, as some suppose was the conclusion of the cathar heresiarchs who were lost in the albigensian genocides, another instance where the light was snuffed out in its infancy.
siarc said:the immediate concern should be to enlighten a wider group of those upon whom capital feeds and propagates. everyone is subject to cognitive dissonance to some degree, it is not enough simply to anoint ourselves a neurocognitive elite and assume the role of initiates to the truth, for the truth is elusive and its ways corrupting. some think that only an epiphanic event in human consciousness can elevate a cognitive elite to a 'truth elite' unencumbered by neopavlovian rationalisations.
siarc said:however i'm not as despondent as you assume, and as you say time is in our hands, as it is running out for the oligarchs. this is evident in neoconservatism, which assumes that america has only a few decades as a hyperpower in which too effect the long lasting changes envisioned by pnac, wolfowitz etc. and while nation states feud among themselves, the enlightened in all the nations have common aims, and will outlast the devastation while the weak wither and die and the oligarchs feud.
Azrael23 said:Schumann resonance?
You're that spambot thing that generates text for getting past heuristic filters, and I claim my £5.siarc said:this is largely outside of my concerns, and whilst i imagine neutral monism and post-quantum theory will eventually reconcile themselves, the teleological can exist inside a framework for true noetic growth, as some suppose was the conclusion of the cathar heresiarchs who were lost in the albigensian genocides, another instance where the light was snuffed out in its infancy.
*giggles*pk said:"Eau De Tete Du Merde"
pk said:Look, conspiranoid chatter is one thing, but trying to attempt a sly regulation into the many-feathered game that we here call Mornington Crescent is jolly well out of bounds, you pair of utter cads.
I'll say Kennington and we'll say no more about it.
But mark my words, I've got my eye on you.
Scoundrels.
*tchuh*
Nah, mate. I'm trying to give it up.laptop said:* Approaching Enlightenment dissipates in a puff of Tube grunge *
Slice of monist cake, anyone? It's got quark on it.
siarc said:aufklarung
siarc said:what is this nonsense? some of you people wouldn't know spinoza if the ethics fell off a bookshelf and hit you on the face!
laptop said:* Thud *
But if there is but the one Substance, how can the phrase "Substance Abuse" make sense?
laptop said:Everything?
Call me a Kant, but I find it imperative categorically to question that...
The rate at which knowledge is able to be shared today is not comparable to the past.
People realising the need for economic reform and understanding the reasons behind the structure of the present system is paramount i`d agree. No one wants to be annointed as anything, they just want to express themselves like anyone else does. I can`t remember which it was psychologist that put the desire for expression highest in the model of human need.
Schumann resonance?
I try not to speculate too far into the future. In fighting and treachery has always ruined the path of those who worship ego, that much I know.
Derian said:A needless diversion applying now defunct rules via a closed station. It's obvious that one has to change at Victoria at this point.
siarc said:what the fuck is this shit? aufklarung is just the german name for 'the enlightenment' as distinct from the 'secular' use of that term. it was a common loan word in nineteenth century english
i was trying to show how the enlightement of goethe, schiller, kant etc occured in places like weimar and frankfurt am main precisely at the same time as the nascent banking families of europe were establishing themselves.
siarc said:i was trying to show how the enlightement of goethe, schiller, kant etc occured in places like weimar and frankfurt am main precisely at the same time as the nascent banking families of europe were establishing themselves.
laptop said:Alles ist nun bald klar auf.
Which are you proposing came first, though? That the "families" you refer to created the Aufklarung, or that it created the conditions for them...
Badger Kitten said:You are a stoned/tripped out second year philosophy student and I claim my fiver. Quite good trolling, but your rubbish spelling and grammar give you away.
Badger Kitten said:sorry.
siarc said:what is this nonsense? some of you people wouldn't know spinoza if the ethics fell off a bookshelf and hit you on the face!
pembrokestephen said:A Paninitheist?
Badger Kitten said:You are a stoned/tripped out second year philosophy student and I claim my fiver. Quite good trolling, but your rubbish spelling and grammar give you away.
Derian said:Gar, you've spoilt it now BK. I was hoping that he was about to lead us on to Weishaupt ...
Iam said:Oh, look. A link.
Well, if it's posted on the 'net somewhere, it must be true.
Yeah, that clinches it for me.
laptop said:You do realise I'm going to need documentation on who funded Kant before I start seriously reconsidering the motives for the Aufklarung, don't you?
Though I do have to say that it's entirely unclear to me how Spinoza supported himself, having been expelled by the synagogue and his family and all. Were the Anabaptists he ended up hanging out with rich by then?
“Weishaupt . . . proposed as the end of Illuminism the abolition of property, social authority, nationality, and the return of the human race to the happy state in which it formed only a single family without artificial needs, without useless sciences, every father being priest and magistrate. Priest of we know not what religion, for in spite of their frequent invocations of the God of Nature, many indications lead us to conclude that Weishaupt had, like Diderot and d'Holbach, no other God than Nature herself. From his doctrine would naturally follow German ultra-Hegelianism and the system of anarchy recently developed in France, of which the physiognomy suggests a foreign origin.”
Henry Martin, Histoire de France depuis les temps les plus reculés jusqu'en 1789, XVI. 533.
"It was thought too, that Kant and Weishaupt attended secret conferences of the Sacred Fraternity of Antioch on at least two separate occasions of the 1790's, wherein the sessions of the Neue Erwatung were constituted as true to their own immutable values. From this time on, Kant's writings proceeded in a fashion of gnomic encryption that conceal their true significations only to the initiated."
Hugo von Hoffmannsthal, 'The Enochian Idealists', 1903