Child rapists avoid prosecution – by saying SORRY

[1%er]

Fourteen sex offenders dodged the courts AFTER admitting their guilt by apologising to their young victims – all aged under 13. Full story in the Birmingham Mail

And this from theneedleblog

THE WORST SEX CRIMES GIVEN COMMUNITY RESOLUTION ORDERS

Rape of a child aged under 13: 20 orders
Rape of a child aged under 16: 1 order
Rape: 9 orders
Child prostitution or porn: 8 orders
Possession of extreme porn involving bestiality: 1 order
Sexual assault on a child aged under 13: 75 orders
Sexual activity involving a child under 16: 49 order
Sexual activity involving a child aged 13 and under: 10 orders
Care worker caused mental patient to engage in sexual activity penetration: 1 order
Sexual assault: 284 orders
Cruelty to children: 7 orders
Kidnapping or abduction: 5 orders
Sexual activity in front of child aged under 13: 2 orders

Covered in more detail at the mail-on-line here

 

[bmd]

WTF?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Fourteen sex offenders dodged the courts AFTER admitting their guilt by apologising to their young victims – all aged under 13. Full story in the Birmingham Mail

And this from theneedleblog

THE WORST SEX CRIMES GIVEN COMMUNITY RESOLUTION ORDERS

Rape of a child aged under 13: 20 orders
Rape of a child aged under 16: 1 order
Rape: 9 orders
Child prostitution or porn: 8 orders
Possession of extreme porn involving bestiality: 1 order
Sexual assault on a child aged under 13: 75 orders
Sexual activity involving a child under 16: 49 order
Sexual activity involving a child aged 13 and under: 10 orders
Care worker caused mental patient to engage in sexual activity penetration: 1 order
Sexual assault: 284 orders
Cruelty to children: 7 orders
Kidnapping or abduction: 5 orders
Sexual activity in front of child aged under 13: 2 orders

Covered in more detail at the mail-on-line here

Not all the offences on that list appear to be sexual ones though - for example, cruelty to children, kidnapping or abduction. I don't know the background though, and can't be bothered to read the Mail story, but it would useful if you could clarify why the ones I've picked out are included in the list under the heading of 'child rapists'.

 

[1%er]

, but it would useful if you could clarify why the ones I've picked out are included in the list under the heading of 'child rapists'.

You should contact Nick McCarthy of the Birmingham Mail it is his byline

Edit: The first line of the Birmingham Mail story says "More than a dozen [the list says 14] Midland child rapists have avoided prosecution – by simply saying sorry."

 

[Pickman's model]

Not all the offences on that list appear to be sexual ones though - for example, cruelty to children, kidnapping or abduction. I don't know the background though, and can't be bothered to read the Mail story, but it would useful if you could clarify why the ones I've picked out are included in the list under the heading of 'child rapists'.

presumably more than one child rapist -> "child rapists"

 

[bmd]

It's justified by saying that this is what the victims wanted. I can understand that children may not want the distress of going through a court case but that's the fault of the court. It's much better for children these days but still utterly shite.

I can imagine that some of these cases involved very young perpetrators, around 18, but even taking into account the wishes of the victims this doesn't seem right to me.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's justified by saying that this is what the victims wanted. I can understand that children may not want the distress of going through a court case but that's the fault of the court. It's much better for children these days but still utterly shite.

I can imagine that some of these cases involved very young perpetrators, around 18, but even taking into account the wishes of the victims this doesn't seem right to me.

you're missing the bit in the article which says that the police admitted cost had been a factor.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Here are some official figures which might contain contextual information that the media coverage may lack.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/an-overview-of-sexual-offending-in-england-and-wales

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/crime-statistics

And possible this article might shed some light too.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/12/child-sexual-abuse-statistics-uk

 

[el-ahrairah]

to be fair, child rape isn't really something we should expect government to care about. children don't pay taxes after all.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

You should contact Nick McCarthy of the Birmingham Mail it is his byline

Edit: The first line of the Birmingham Mail story says "More than a dozen [the list says 14] Midland child rapists have avoided prosecution – by simply saying sorry."

Why should I contact the journo when you are the one who've posted the thread about this, with what appears to be a misleading title.

It's your job to clarify it, not mine to look into it.

 

[bmd]

you're missing the bit in the article which says that the police admitted cost had been a factor.

Ah! You're quite right.

Well, as long as we've saved a few quid I'm all for it.

 

[1%er]

Why should I contact the journo when you are the one who've posted the thread about this, with what appears to be a misleading title.

It's your job to clarify it, not mine to look into it.

It is his headline I just quoted it
(and if you "can't be bothered to read the Mail story" I can't be bother dealing with your point).

 

[Pickman's model]

to be fair, child rape isn't really something we should expect government to care about. children don't pay taxes after all.

i'd imagine they do via any pocket money they receive, vat now being pretty much ubiquitous

 

[farmerbarleymow]

It is his headline I just quoted it
(and if you "can't be bothered to read the Mail story" I can't be bother dealing with your point).

But to be fair you appear to have cut and pasted some info from the other website and haven't really said what you think, or why we should bother to look at the sites you have linked to. It is a content free post in that respect.

 

[1%er]

But to be fair you appear to have cut and pasted some info from the other website and haven't really said what you think, or why we should bother to look at the sites you have linked to. It is a content free post in that respect.

So report it as such

 

[farmerbarleymow]

So report it as such

I couldn't care less if you want to post content free threads, as that is up to you. And you still haven't said what you think of the story you link to.

 

[equationgirl]

I've read the articel and to be hnoest there isn't much detail about the cases in it. I'm not saying that how these cases were handled was correct but it looks to me that someone did some kind of FOIA request and this is the information that came back. Without context (which the OP has failed to give) it's impossible to make a reasoned assessment of whether the police were right to do this or not.

Now, the article does go into some detail about the orders which are made, which are community resoution orders and are victim-led, i.e. if this is the way the victim (or their repsonsible adult) wants to go it looks like the police don't have the powere to overturn that decision, and if correct that should be looked at.

 

[1%er]

I've read the articel and to be hnoest there isn't much detail about the cases in it. I'm not saying that how these cases were handled was correct but it looks to me that someone did some kind of FOIA request and this is the information that came back. Without context (which the OP has failed to give) it's impossible to make a reasoned assessment of whether the police were right to do this or not.

Now, the article does go into some detail about the orders which are made, which are community resoution orders and are victim-led, i.e. if this is the way the victim (or their repsonsible adult) wants to go it looks like the police don't have the powere to overturn that decision, and if correct that should be looked at.

I'm not sure I am qualified to give you more "context" than the journalist who wrote the story, I live about 7,000 miles away from Birmingham, England.

I found the story interesting and quoted it on a british BBS as it covers what appears to be an ongoing subject discussed on this board.

I very sorry if you feel I have wasted your time

Have a nice day

 

[equationgirl]

I'm not sure I am qualified to give you more "context" than the journalist who wrote the story, I live about 7,000 miles away from Birmingham, England.

I found the story interesting and quoted it on a british BBS as it covers what appears to be an ongoing subject discussed on this board.

I very sorry if you feel I have wasted your time

Have a nice day

I didn't say you'd wasted my time - it was more to the point that even the journalist hasn't given much in the way of context - but without knowing all the facts of each case it's hard to make an informed decision about whether or not this was the right thing to do.