Chagossians win !!
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Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
I hope so!
*raises glass*
*raises glass*
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
A very positive move. I can't see why the islanders had to leave in the first place. Other places have military bases which co-exist with locals. Sometimes the locals do quite well out of the bases financially (although obviously there are exceptions as in Japan with the aberant behaviour of the US service personell there). Look at how East Anglia was hit financially when the yanks closed bases. Pubs shutting etc etc.
disownedspirit
New Member
excellent
from the beeb
so its a fundamental liberty for people forced from their homes to be able to return, surely the FO are missing the point, the Chagossians dont want to live in Mauritius (although i wouldn't mind) they want to go back to their homes from which they were forced to leave
palestinians dont even have the luxury of being citizens of another country and even if they did "the right to go home was "one of the most fundamental liberties known to human beings"
thanks for that moono
put a smile on my face
from the beeb
so its a fundamental liberty for people forced from their homes to be able to return, surely the FO are missing the point, the Chagossians dont want to live in Mauritius (although i wouldn't mind) they want to go back to their homes from which they were forced to leave
palestinians dont even have the luxury of being citizens of another country and even if they did "the right to go home was "one of the most fundamental liberties known to human beings"
thanks for that moono
put a smile on my face
moono said:The lease to Diego Garcia, one of America's major bases and one instrumental in Middle East bombings, expires around 2013.
Please oppose renewal.
I thought Blair had got the Queen to over-rule this House of Lords decision. Or does this new ruling now over-rule the Queen and move the US base off the island?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
And I though you only cared about Palestine.
It's pretty disgusting what happened to the Chagossians - what's gonna be left for them to go back to?
It's pretty disgusting what happened to the Chagossians - what's gonna be left for them to go back to?
Lol. The courts originally decided in favour of the islanders and the government ( spineless American-stuffed apologies for humanitarians ) took it to appeal- and lost. They then employed an obscure UK 'constitutional ' loophole whereby they avoided the courts decision, avoided parliament entirely and went to the Queen for 'an Orders in Council'.
This, as far as I'm aware consists of the government saying ' Oi, Maj, you'll sign this or else' and the dear old duck saying ' Fair enough'.
The Chagossians then took that 'decision' to the High Court and successfully challenged it yesterday. The government has been blocked from further 'appeals' but the High Court ruling could still be reversed by the House of Lords.
I don't know if that means the Law Lords or whether the Serpent's Brief, Goldsmith, gets to have his bent two-pennoth.
The islanders still can't return to Diego Garcia, the main island of the group where the American base is, but they can return to the others. It's a start.
The Americans, frightened in the past of weakening their position, have always refused to employ Chagossians at the base, importing thousands of workers from elsewhere in the world. The British government even falsified a 'survey', stating that the islands were uninhabitable whereas the Americans advertise it as ' a paradise' for military recruits.
Diego Garcia threatens the entire Middle East and beyond. It has been instrumental in constructing the Americanized nightmare which is the Middle East and it is very important to their plans to attack Iran. It's lease, as I said, expires around 2013 and renewal could be refused.
Jeremy Corbyn, M.P. is a major Chagossian champion.
http://www.chagossupport.org.uk/
If you feel like adding something you could hit the 'contact' button on that site and congratulate somebody. You might just inspire them to fight on.
Or you could email them and take the piss, it will have the same effect.
This, as far as I'm aware consists of the government saying ' Oi, Maj, you'll sign this or else' and the dear old duck saying ' Fair enough'.
The Chagossians then took that 'decision' to the High Court and successfully challenged it yesterday. The government has been blocked from further 'appeals' but the High Court ruling could still be reversed by the House of Lords.
I don't know if that means the Law Lords or whether the Serpent's Brief, Goldsmith, gets to have his bent two-pennoth.
The islanders still can't return to Diego Garcia, the main island of the group where the American base is, but they can return to the others. It's a start.
The Americans, frightened in the past of weakening their position, have always refused to employ Chagossians at the base, importing thousands of workers from elsewhere in the world. The British government even falsified a 'survey', stating that the islands were uninhabitable whereas the Americans advertise it as ' a paradise' for military recruits.
Diego Garcia threatens the entire Middle East and beyond. It has been instrumental in constructing the Americanized nightmare which is the Middle East and it is very important to their plans to attack Iran. It's lease, as I said, expires around 2013 and renewal could be refused.
Jeremy Corbyn, M.P. is a major Chagossian champion.
http://www.chagossupport.org.uk/
If you feel like adding something you could hit the 'contact' button on that site and congratulate somebody. You might just inspire them to fight on.
Or you could email them and take the piss, it will have the same effect.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Not you, moono!ZAMB said:
Lol.
Helping the Middle East to shake off American shackles will benefit the Palestinians.
No doubt it will be the pro-Zionists who want the Chagossians barred from their own land and the 'lease' to continue. It's an attitude they can understand and support.
The primary concern here though is the Chagossians. Take care of one injustice and it helps tackle another further up the road. The court's decision that people have 'a fundamental right to their homes', as 'spirit' pointed out, is very useful affirmation of precedent under English law even if the shysters can demonstrate that it doesn't apply universally.
Helping the Middle East to shake off American shackles will benefit the Palestinians.
No doubt it will be the pro-Zionists who want the Chagossians barred from their own land and the 'lease' to continue. It's an attitude they can understand and support.
The primary concern here though is the Chagossians. Take care of one injustice and it helps tackle another further up the road. The court's decision that people have 'a fundamental right to their homes', as 'spirit' pointed out, is very useful affirmation of precedent under English law even if the shysters can demonstrate that it doesn't apply universally.
John Pilger on Democracy now, talking about this struggle [among others]
http://www.democracynow.org:80/article.pl?sid=07/06/07/1347259
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Good for them. Apparently they're treated like 3rd class citizens in Mauritius
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Pilger pointed out an interesting parallel. Thatcher was willing to go to war to protect the rights of a couple of thousand white British subjects in the Falklands - but our govt. had no respect for an equal number of black british subjects in the Chagos islands. The UK sold those people into exile for a few million quid discount on a nuclear sub. Pretty sickening really - good old 20th century British equality.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Bump. They're clearly still a long way from winning.
Prime Minister of Mauritius Navinchandra Ramgoolam, has just announced that his government are going to the 'International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea' over Britain's creation of a marine park around the Chagos islands.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.3b29b364e92472d3587fc96ce6d6698b.261
Britain created the marine park in April this year, ensuring that no one will be allowed to settle on The Chagos Islands again, which of course also rules out a return for the 2,000 islanders.
I'm not sure that Mauritius' motives are entirely down to concern for the Chagossians, but Ramgoolam is probably right when he says: "We know the real reason for the marine reserve: preventing Chagossians from returning to Chagos."
Prime Minister of Mauritius Navinchandra Ramgoolam, has just announced that his government are going to the 'International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea' over Britain's creation of a marine park around the Chagos islands.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.3b29b364e92472d3587fc96ce6d6698b.261
Britain created the marine park in April this year, ensuring that no one will be allowed to settle on The Chagos Islands again, which of course also rules out a return for the 2,000 islanders.
I'm not sure that Mauritius' motives are entirely down to concern for the Chagossians, but Ramgoolam is probably right when he says: "We know the real reason for the marine reserve: preventing Chagossians from returning to Chagos."
Orang Utan said:And I though you only cared about Palestine.Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Sorry, it couldn't be helped.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
the queen can't overrule such a decision, AFAIK, constitutional convention pretty much forbids it
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Maybe they've finally won, or maybe they haven't. The UK is going to hang onto the base and hand the rest of the territory back to Mauritius. However, the Chagosians don't seem to have been consulted.
www.theguardian.com
UK politics: Tom Tugendhat suggests Chagos Islands deal could lead to China establishing base there – as it happened
Former security minister says UK decision to cede sovereignty means Mauritius could lease islands to China
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
The Universal Postal Union delegitimised BIOT stamps a while ago (this means that they are not recognised as legitimate postage anywhere in the world), much to my delight. I have a full set of covers from every post office in the islands, which will now increase in value.
It's also unclear what's going to happen to the Sri Lankan Tamil asylum seekers who've been stuck there for years.Maybe they've finally won, or maybe they haven't. The UK is going to hang onto the base and hand the rest of the territory back to Mauritius. However, the Chagosians don't seem to have been consulted.
UK politics: Tom Tugendhat suggests Chagos Islands deal could lead to China establishing base there – as it happened
Former security minister says UK decision to cede sovereignty means Mauritius could lease islands to China
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I seem to remember Mauritius asking the US for help in gaining sovereignity over the islands in return for a guarantee that Diego Garcia wouldn't be affected. I suspect that is going to happen is that the ownership will transfer from Britain to Mauritius on paper and nothing much will change in reality though it does look possible that the Chagossians might be allowed back onto the other islands.
As for the Tamils they're stuck there until they agree to go somewhere other than the UK or the US. The odd one or two has been flown to South Africa for medical treatment apparently but once there they haven't been allowed back to Diego Garcia.
As for the Tamils they're stuck there until they agree to go somewhere other than the UK or the US. The odd one or two has been flown to South Africa for medical treatment apparently but once there they haven't been allowed back to Diego Garcia.
Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
Not sure Mauritius has a brilliant claim to them really. Just seems like a technicality based on how the French organised their colonies.
"Chagossian Voices, a community organisation for Chagossians based in the UK and in several other countries, condemned the UK government’s lack of consultation with them before Thursday’s announcement.
It said: “Chagossian Voices deplore the exclusion of the Chagossian community from the negotiations which have produced this statement of intent concerning the sovereignty of our homeland. Chagossians have learned this outcome from the media and remain powerless and voiceless in determining our own future and the future of our homeland. The views of Chagossians, the Indigenous inhabitants of the islands, have been consistently and deliberately ignored and we demand full inclusion in the drafting of the treaty.”
"Chagossian Voices, a community organisation for Chagossians based in the UK and in several other countries, condemned the UK government’s lack of consultation with them before Thursday’s announcement.
It said: “Chagossian Voices deplore the exclusion of the Chagossian community from the negotiations which have produced this statement of intent concerning the sovereignty of our homeland. Chagossians have learned this outcome from the media and remain powerless and voiceless in determining our own future and the future of our homeland. The views of Chagossians, the Indigenous inhabitants of the islands, have been consistently and deliberately ignored and we demand full inclusion in the drafting of the treaty.”
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Classic fudge.
The Chagossians, (how many who were removed are still alive today?) can return to other islands, not Diego Garcia, even though there's nothing much on those other islands. The UK keeps the base they lease to the US for 'an initial period' of 99 years. The US keeps their base, face saved for the UK and Mauritius, the Chagossians don't really gain anything much. Grant Shapps is apoplectic, which is always a joy.
But in reality what can anyone do, roll up at one of the US's most powerful bases and ask them to fuck off?
The Chagossians, (how many who were removed are still alive today?) can return to other islands, not Diego Garcia, even though there's nothing much on those other islands. The UK keeps the base they lease to the US for 'an initial period' of 99 years. The US keeps their base, face saved for the UK and Mauritius, the Chagossians don't really gain anything much. Grant Shapps is apoplectic, which is always a joy.
But in reality what can anyone do, roll up at one of the US's most powerful bases and ask them to fuck off?
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
Why can't the US just lease the base from it's new owners? Why does the UK even need to be involved?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Never ever seen this before. An Agency recruiting for recently retired public order cops to go at short notice.Pickman's model , I reckon you know enough about GB public order tactics to blag the interview….
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
sadly and against all my expectations i haven't retired yet
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I think the US likes to operate with at least the veneer of 'legality' The current Mauritian Govt may be US friendly but a future one may not be putting the US in the position of just ignoring the Mauritian Govt or annexing Diego Garcia. It sure as hell isn't going to leave so I think this arrangement gives them something they could use in any possible court proceeding rather than just saying "Fuck you make us leave"
There is a similar issue with Guantanamo, the US has a treaty from 1934 with a previous Cuban Govt granting them a lease in perpetuity and still cuts Cuba an annual check for the rent which they refuse to cash. The Cubans aren't capable of forcing the Yanks to go and any court case will fail on the treaty (certainly in a US court which is only place that counts)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What's particularly strange about the ad is it specifying 12 vacancies - it's like they're after 2/3 of a psu. One of the tsg branches was disbanded a couple of years ago so no doubt some of those tainted cops will apply
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That was a lot longer than a couple of years ago. It could be them trying to complete a PSU, but I rather think its probably 1/3 of a PSU (one working 12 hour shifts whilst the other is off) rather than 2/3.
Good luck to the recruitment team trying to get retired coppers to sign up for that though - £10k for four weeks work where they don't say where it is or anything about what you'll actually be doing. I think most people could guess, though.
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