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Hammersmith/Fulham Council to tie doing voluntary work, etc to right to social housing

This is what N/L with Caroline Flint was planning and Manchester City Council, a Labour council are undertaking...

increasingly I think its time for a new left party...

btw, a btl commenter notes he has noticed a large rise in private companies offering eviction services, ffs...
 
Curry's advice a few years back to older people at risk from the cold in winter was for them to wear woolly hats indoors.

And here's a report of a 63 year old man, who the police state died of kidney failure and starvation after an assessment undertaken by Atos. who declared him "fit for work".
 
Curry's advice a few years back to older people at risk from the cold in winter was for them to wear woolly hats indoors.

And here's a report of a 63 year old man, who the police state died of kidney failure and starvation after an assessment undertaken by Atos. who declared him "fit for work".
Cancel their second holidays as well wasn't it?:facepalm:
 
And here's a report of a 63 year old man, who the police state died of kidney failure and starvation after an assessment undertaken by Atos. who declared him "fit for work".

I do fear that this list is going to accelerate in lengthening after the changes that have just gone through.

However, obviously people die all the time and some will die even if they are fit for work at the time of assessment - hopefully someone out there is keeping decent comparative stats to deny the Government any easy get-out of this kind..
 
I do fear that this list is going to accelerate in lengthening after the changes that have just gone through.

However, obviously people die all the time and some will die even if they are fit for work at the time of assessment - hopefully someone out there is keeping decent comparative stats to deny the Government any easy get-out of this kind..

nope.

You will hear two figures:

73 deaths/week. This is the total number of people on ESA who die each week, and should never be used to illustrate how many deaths are caused/lives shortened by the failure of ESA to correctly assess people, as this includes all the people in the support group.

32 deaths/week. This is the number of deaths of people in the WRAG. It shouldn't be used either but is the best figure we have. Really this needs to be expressed as a death rate and compared alongside the death rate for the general population but even that isn't getting you anywhere near an honest figure because you'd expect the death rate for people in the WRAG to be higher even if the test was perfect.

The figure we really want but they don't collect is what happens to people who are kicked off IB/ESA onto JSA, because you could compare the death rate here with the death rate of the JSA population and get a reasonable figure.

But all of that only asks and has the potential to answer one question, which is whether there is a difference in the death rate between those on ESA and those in other groups. It can't answer whether the approach taken (eg: to split applicants into three groups with differing level of support/conditionality and payments; whether the work-focused approach is right or not; whether the support/conditionality that is received in each group is any good).
So it could easily be possible that the three way split and work focused approach is right, and that the test correctly assesses the level of support that is required, but that the support that is given is not the right support.
Or it could be that the test was working perfectly, but was testing the wrong things.

It also can't be easily compared to different systems. Really the question you want to ask is something like "Does the WCA correctly assess the level of support/ability to work of an applicant?".
Clearly if you can see a higher death rate then this would suggest that something is wrong.
But to know whether the higher death rate is as a result of the WCA wrongly assessing people, leading them to not getting the support they require/having conditionality which actively worsens a condition, or as the result of something else, you'd need to imagine an alternative universe which we can't do.

There may well be space for designing trials to test this - it certainly seems like they kind of thing that would lend itself well to a randomised controlled trial, with different tests and seeing what the outcomes are, but you'd need enough people with specific (or close enough) conditions to form big enough groups to make them statistically significant.
You can't easily compare things to a different country, though it might be worth doing this alongside something else.

All in all answering that question is probably not best done on the basis of showing a higher death rate. I think the minimum 20% failure rate of the process is the best macro level evidence (50% appeal their decision, 40% of appeals succeed. This gives a minimum as some people won't appeal, it also disguises the reality a bit as nobody put in the support group will appeal, so of those who might appeal, something like 50/66 do with 40/66 appeals succeeding, iirc around 1/3rd of people get put straight into the support group).
 
I wonder if these cuts are simply revenge for the attempted mansion tax ( =bedroom tax) council tax benefit losses =Mp's expenses, etc.

I am really starting to believe that these toffs are thoroughly enjoying all this and don't give a toss because they know the people they are destroying would never vote for them anyway.

For the first time in my life I have felt personally insulted by an MP (IDS) with his £53 pw horseshit.
you can see they are laughing at it all, it's just a huge whizz to them,
like a public school beating administered to the 'plebs' arse cheeks instead of theirs.
 
I wonder if these cuts are simply revenge for the attempted mansion tax ( =bedroom tax) council tax benefit losses =Mp's expenses, etc.

I am really starting to believe that these toffs are thoroughly enjoying all this and don't give a toss because they know the people they are destroying would never vote for them anyway.

For the first time in my life I have felt personally insulted by an MP (IDS) with his £53 pw horseshit.
you can see they are laughing at it all, it's just a huge whizz to them,
like a public school beating administered to the 'plebs' arse cheeks instead of theirs.

They are - Cameron and Osborne are anyway. To be fair to IDS, he's a nutter who probably does believe in what he's doing.
 
Surprised that a lot of L/P' MP's and even front bench, Balls, etc are going ballistic over this, reckon they were stung over the ferocious reaction to them abstaining on the Workfare bill.
 
Ballistic over what, the Osborne Philpott welfare comments? Balls has already called them a cynical act of a desperate chancellor.
 
Oh dear :D

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/05/goverment-loaded-language-welfare

Fraud, which accounts for less than 1% of the overall benefits bill, was mentioned 85 times in the press releases, while it was not used at all in the final year of Labour, which was itself accused of sometimes using intemperate language on the issue.
In the 25 speeches by DWP ministers on welfare over the year, "dependency" was mentioned 38 times, while "addiction" occurred 41 times and "entrenched" on 15 occasions. A comparison of 25 speeches on the subject by Labour ministers saw the words used, respectively, seven times, not at all, and once.
 

Nice find. Found a similar article recently about disabled people.

This needs to be publicised more widely, and I found the below figures somewhere else and put them up on another thread. Unfortunately, these threads move so fast, I can never find the posts again :D

Some charities warn that such language fuels a distorted portrayal of benefits in parts of the media, which in turn perpetuates widespread myths about the welfare system. A YouGov poll for the TUC last year found that, on average, people think 41% of the welfare budget supports the unemployed – the true amount is 3% – and believe the fraud rate is 27%, as against the government's estimate of 0.7%.
 
Big jump here as well

Analysis of language in the media a similar picture. In the past year, the term "benefit cheat" was used 442 times in national newspapers, an increase of almost two-thirds on the 12 months before the coalition took power.
 
A comment on the basis of 900k people getting better before being assessed by ATOS?

Telegraph almost managed a decent article today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9974373/Welfare-reform-53-a-week...-You-do-the-maths.html

About living on £53/week with an example, explicitly rejects the philpott/benefits link, but then spends the second half of the article talking about how welfare needs to be reformed because it doesn't pay to work :facepalm:
with an example of someone who got promoted, couldn't live on the wage because they lost too much in benefits, so asked to be demoted. Which apparently is a reason to reform (ie cut) benefits :facepalm: :facepalm:
 
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