campaign against welfare cuts and poverty

[Greebo]

*Plans extra defences (on top of the mundane ones) for when well enough to install them*

 

[Greebo]

No, I'm now living in fear of a knock at the door

If you live in fear, they (whoever "they" are, probably in this case ATOS and the DWP) win.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

If you live in fear, they (whoever "they" are, probably in this case ATOS and the DWP) win.

Well I'm not living in fear, but I don't need the hassle and furthermore, I'm not dressed appropriately for visitors

 

[Treacle Toes]

A Freedom of Information document from the DWP has revealed that rather than an average of 32 deaths per week as a result of Welfare Reform that figure has now risen to an average of 73 deaths per week!

http://statistics.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/adhoc_analysis/2012/incap_decd_recips_0712.pdf

When is this going to stop?! When are people going to wake up and help us fight against this government?! We need help!
How many more vulnerable, sick and disabled people have to die before something is done?!
As a disabled person, I don’t want to live in this country any more. We’re frightened of losing our benefits and our independence. It is happening.
People are being left with nothing! Vulnerable, sick and disabled people are being left destitute after having their benefits wrongly cut, by a cruel and callous government!

more here:
http://welfarenewsservice.co.uk/archives/519

 

[Treacle Toes]

http://www.michaelmeacher.info/weblog/2012/10/more-horror-stories-from-atos/

 

[BigTom]

more here:
http://welfarenewsservice.co.uk/archives/519

This higher figure includes deaths in the support group, it's not as good a figure as the 32/wk deaths in the wrag group alone for showing the effect of esa reform imo.
They don't track people kicked from esa to jsa though where the strongest effect is likely to be seen.

 

[weepiper]

 

[BigTom]

happy birthday!

wrong thread I think

 

[weepiper]

wrong thread I think

oops

 

[weepiper]

Here's what I meant to post on this thread

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wight/child-benefit-david-cameron_b_2022127.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

The deployment of the word 'fairness' to justify this latest stage in the Tory's all out assault on the poor is the semantic version of a smoke grenade, designed to occlude the purpose behind it - namely increasing the share of society's surplus for the rich at the expense of the poor under cover of an economic recession brought to us courtesy of those very same rich, doing so by pitting the working poor against the unemployed and benefit claimants.

This stuff is getting really frightening. It's so effective. No-one with any power to actually do anything about it seems to be that bothered. It feels like we're living in the late thirties, I keep getting this feeling that they're laying ground work with all this divide and rule stuff and something really bad's coming.

 

[Greebo]

Here's what I meant to post on this thread

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wight/child-benefit-david-cameron_b_2022127.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
<snip>It feels like we're living in the late thirties, I keep getting this feeling that they're laying ground work with all this divide and rule stuff and something really bad's coming.

I hate to say it, but I think you're probably right. OTOH as long as they feel the need to lie and hide what exactly the endgame is, it implies that we've still got a chance of stopping or changing this.

 

[audiotech]

"Bedroom tax" epetition:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/33438

 

[stuff_it]

I hate to say it, but I think you're probably right. OTOH as long as they feel the need to lie and hide what exactly the endgame is, it implies that we've still got a chance of stopping or changing this.

Here's what I meant to post on this thread

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wight/child-benefit-david-cameron_b_2022127.html?utm_hp_ref=tw



This stuff is getting really frightening. It's so effective. No-one with any power to actually do anything about it seems to be that bothered. It feels like we're living in the late thirties, I keep getting this feeling that they're laying ground work with all this divide and rule stuff and something really bad's coming.

I suspect it's stage one, frighten most people into being civilly obedient in case they end up becoming one of the 'unlucky ones'.

 

[BigTom]

Living under the threat of welfare reform
http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/living-under-the-threat-of-welfare-reform/

“And, if I lose out under Universal Credit, then I may as well just end it all because I am not going to be forced to go cap in hand to family or friends to survive; I couldn’t stand the humiliation after all I’ve been through both personally and physically, and such a situation makes you very vulnerable to abuse. A friend of mine had her DLA taken away and because of her mortgage costs she was left with £12 per week to live on (she daren’t apply for a flat anywhere as most are in horrible blocks that are drug/thief ridden). Her so-called friends offered help willingly at first, then they started bullying her and taking advantage of her. She got her DLA back, but she is still in a terrible psychological state because of the way people treated her. No thank you: I’m not going to go through that!

“Prior to complete destitution, I intend to demonstrate/beg on my street. I’m going to make large boards with my message on it, and get my carers to wheel me onto the main road to sit all day if necessary, so that the whole community can see what the government are doing to the vulnerable. I refuse to be hidden away like I was many times before when I used to go days or even a week at a time without heat, light or food. And whole winters without heat. No, this time I’m going to make sure that everyone knows. I’ll have nothing left to lose.

That's from the middle of the article, which is worth reading through.

 

[treelover]

ONLY 24 HOURS LEFT: Sign #patspetition and join our last stand against disability cuts! http://patspetition.blogspot.co.uk/ PLS RT and share!

not much time to get the numbers for pats petition, milllion's of people are being affected by these horrific reforms, do most disabled people think it is only ''those others'' who will be hit...

 

[ViolentPanda]

not much time to get the numbers for pats petition, milllion's of people are being affected by these horrific reforms, do most disabled people think it is only ''those others'' who will be hit...

I do wish you'd make an effort not to sound so sanctimonious.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

not much time to get the numbers for pats petition, milllion's of people are being affected by these horrific reforms, do most disabled people think it is only ''those others'' who will be hit...

I don't do Twitter, but I reckon people should forward it to lots of paralympians/olympians and ask them to retweet as they have a big following

 

[treelover]

I do wish you'd make an effort not to sound so sanctimonious.

eh, I'm saying that there are thousands of people who are going to be profoundly affected by the cuts, etc who for some reason haven't signed the petition,whats sanctimonious about that?

btw, I have been away from this site for a while due to such pointless comments...

 

[ViolentPanda]

eh, I'm saying that there are thousands of people who are going to be profoundly affected by the cuts, etc who for some reason haven't signed the petition,whats sanctimonious about that?

It's a pity then that "do most disabled people think it is only ''those others'' who will be hit...?" sounds like it's santimoniously having a go at people who don't meet your level of commitment.

btw, I have been away from this site for a while due to such pointless comments...

Pointless to you, maybe. Pointless to the people who might be discouraged by "holier than thou" attitudes, though? Perhaps not.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

not much time to get the numbers for pats petition, milllion's of people are being affected by these horrific reforms, do most disabled people think it is only ''those others'' who will be hit...

The petition's not even reached 60,000 yet

Wonder if it'll trend on Twitter at 8.00pm

I'm not comfortable with this Twitterology

Will it be trendy at 8.00pm? That's better

 

[purenarcotic]

Treelover; maybe people think petitions are pointless, maybe they don't know about the petition, maybe they don't have internet access, maybe they're too sick to be on a computer at the moment, maybe they're just not interested in politics or maybe they're not as educated and clued up as you and don't realise what's to come.

There's a myriad of reasons why somebody may not have signed a petition, it doesn't mean they don't care.

 

[weepiper]

Just read Lord Freud's speech on the Housing Benefit reforms/benefits cap. Fucking raging. Bunch of cunts.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Interesting

@DrBrianMay Save badgers: 164,525. Save disabled people: 58,724. REALLY?! Please sign #patspetition LAST DAY TO SIGN! http://bit.ly/vGbHWV

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[purenarcotic]

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[Libertad]

Just read Lord Freud's speech on the Housing Benefit reforms/benefits cap. Fucking raging. Bunch of cunts.

Got a link weeps?

 

[weepiper]

Got a link weeps?

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/ministers-speeches/2012/31-10-12.shtml

 

[Libertad]

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/ministers-speeches/2012/31-10-12.shtml

Thank you kindly.

 

[Libertad]

This is why, when the Coalition Government came to power 2 years ago, we made a commitment to turn these people’s lives around and to take control of the spiralling welfare costs.

Thanks for that.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Lord it up Fraud

There has been no mass exodus of people moving out of city centres or of wide-spread homelessness because of our housing reforms.

Give it time cunt..!!

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Firstly I want to congratulate private sector landlords for the important role they have played in the economy as a whole.

You have been of huge value during these recent turbulent times. Taking over 590,000 extra tenants on Housing Benefit, an increase of over 50% – for which we are extremely grateful.

Over the last ten years Housing Benefit expenditure has almost doubled in cash terms from £12 billion in 2001 to £23 billion in 2011. Without our reforms this will increase to £25 billion by 2014/15.

Nothing to do with private sector landlords charging extortionate rents then?

and nothing to do with lack of council housing either I suppose

(I realise this is an ongoing problem that didn't start when the Condems got in)