littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't disagree with this, but the idea that she is in some way innocent here is laughable.
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Plastic Paddy
Membership of a terrorist organisation.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
I should be most grateful if your honour would care to enlighten me.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The prosecution outlines the charge in Post 242. Given that you yourself have confirmed its veracity, shall we move straight to sentencing?
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
This stuff about her being groomed - unless she had some personal relationship with an IS groomer, she was "groomed" by their media campaign. And loads of people must have seen that shite without being seduced by it. She's most likely an example of the sort of people who "have larceny in their heart" to quote Josef Goebbels, and can therefore be appealed to on that basis (by people like Goebbels).
andysays
Love and solidarity
You were responding to a post about whether she was a terrorist, but let's leave, it, the thread has moved on since my previous post
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eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
With the utmost respect, I put it to the court that the institution of matrimony and membership of an organisation, proscribed or otherwise, are two very different institutions. How else can we explain the marriage between members of parliament from the two main parties? We may not approve of her choice in suitor, but this in and of itself does not constitute a criminal offence.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
This makes her a murderer not. Chasing after a criminal, even a murderer does not make her a criminal, or at least I don't think it does, that is unless you read the mail.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Who's saying she's a murderer?
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
She's definitely an accessory!
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
There are plenty of non-murdering crimes she could have been involved with. Slavery for a start - as a foreign bride to a foreign fighter living in Raqqa the chances of her not having a slave (and again, that's an actual slave) are about zero.
Recruitment? Providing intelligence? Assisting propaganda?
Fancy living next to a slaver?
Reading more of the interview has far from raised my sympathy levels for her, pretty cold stuff to say the least. Still, she was at war and war is kill or be killed, this line on seeing the head in a basket:
"I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance," she said.
I still think she presents a real danger.
"I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance," she said.
I still think she presents a real danger.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Have you even read her own words in the article?
What on earth are you on about?
ETA: The condescending nature of this post as well...
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
Don't be silly.
This is more like some neo-nazi went off to fight with his mates in Ukraine, and then decided he'd had enough.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I think you should consider handing yourself in to the Urban75 PREVENT team.
Please come quietly, it would be best for all concerned...
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I hope you like the taste of plastic bag and the sound of rushing air...
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
[Makes eye contact with individual jurors] Members of the jury, my client has denied all the accusations put before her and put the prosecution to proof that she has committed any offence, which they have singularly failed to do. She is a simple homemaker who has spent her days in Raqqa raising children, cooking and cleaning. While you may not approve of those she has associated with, in and of itself, this constitutes no offence. You may not like my client. Most likely you disapprove of all she stands for. However, your duty is not to judge her for these qualities. Your solemn duty is to judge the facts as to whether or not she has committed a criminal offence put before you. Neither travelling abroad, marrying an adult man, however ill-chosen, nor carrying out domestic housework... none of these constitute an actual offence. English Law does not prosecute a guilty mind, it requires a guilty act. And we rely on you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury to uphold this principle... not out of any ill-placed sympathy for the individual defendant but in the interest of justice.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This is nonsense. She travelled to Syria to join IS. This is indisputable. It is a criminal act in itself.
There is a sort of precedent for this:
Tareena Shakil jailed for joining IS
Though clearly details differ.
Tareena Shakil jailed for joining IS
Though clearly details differ.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
You never know when you're going to need a good brief, so I'd watch my tone if I was you.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If my client is guilty of anything here, it is love. Love in the first degree.
*pukes*
She didn't even know who she was going to marry ffs. She apparently requested 'an English-speaker'.
What you on about?
She went there to join Daesh, to take an active part in the caliphate. Which you may have noticed isn't known for having the highest regard for human rights and tolerance to other belief systems.
But "no one knows what she's been up to." She tells us herself you berk.
And no one's hanging her. Most people are saying if she makes it back here, she should be investigated, procecuted if there's the evidence and rehabilitated if possible.
Well Daily Mail that.
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