British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Teaboy]

I don't think the reaction would be any different if she was a 15 year old boy who had joined IS to fight.

She's a victim for sure and should she get to a place where she can seek consular assistance she should be afforded the same rights as any other UK citizen abroad. Lets not pretend she's not a danger though because she clearly will be. Having gone through what she has gone through she'll be completely messed up.

 

[DownwardDog]

She decided to join the gang when she was still under the age of consent.

She was well above the age of criminal responsibility though.

 

[Pickman's model]

And a fair few loyalists but very few in the official British forces.

curiously few in the crown forces

 

[alex_]

Yes, because if she was a man, she wouldn't have been impregnated three times already and lost two of the babies. I can't believe I actually have to spell this out.

She also have been executed or died

 

[weepiper]

The age of criminal responsibility is far too young anyway.

 

[klang]

So uniquely British too! Or so we're meant to believe

nice to have the choice on Democracy: thumbs up or down.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's posters of them in every school these days.

Children have to learn them.

mick jagger demonstrating his commitment to tolerance of different cultures and religions

 

[DotCommunist]

There's posters of them in every school these days.

Children have to learn them.

I see tolerance and respect or others cultures and religions is the swearing finger.

 

[tim]

I’m concerned about some people trying to devalue her ability to make choices as her own actor.

Just because what she chose to do was abhorrent- supporting a slave owning theocracy - doesn’t mean mean she wasn’t competent. It showed ( misplaced in my opinion) courage and skills and probably a fair degree of intelligence of both kinds to get from London to the IS. I am concerned about people who try to infantilise women and BME people as not being as responsible for their actions as white men of any age.

Anyway, I both hate and fear her and her fellow IS comrades. That’s my starting point.

I’m not sure there is a good solution. The best is to see if she makes it back to the UK and then try her as a criminal and deal with her punishment and rehabilitation like that. The American Gitmo approach both didn’t work and was wrong and the Russian shooting people in the head approach is also wrong and makes us into something we don’t want to be.

Millions of German soldiers, scientist and technicians whatever they did or believed under the Nazis, stopped doing it after the war

 

[klang]

Millions of German soldiers, scientist and technicians whatever they did or believed under the Nazis, stopped doing it after the war

yes but they didn't know what was going on. nobody in germany did.

 

[Teaboy]

Millions of German soldiers, scientist and technicians whatever they did or believed under the Nazis, stopped doing it after the war

Apart from the ones who carried on doing exactly the same just for other countries.

 

[Pickman's model]

mick jagger demonstrating his commitment to tolerance of different cultures and religions

I see tolerance and respect or others cultures and religions is the swearing finger.

so i see

 

[A380]

Millions of German soldiers, scientist and technicians whatever they did or believed under the Nazis, stopped doing it after the war

And do you think that was right?

 

[DotCommunist]

And do you think that was right?

You prefer the russian solution to denazification then?

 

[eoin_k]

I don't think the reaction would be any different if she was a 15 year old boy who had joined IS to fight.

She's a victim for sure and should she get to a place where she can seek consular assistance she should be afforded the same rights as any other UK citizen abroad. Lets not pretend she's not a danger though because she clearly will be. Having gone through what she has gone through she'll be completely messed up.

I imagine there'd be even more hostility to an adult Isis fighter irrespective of their gender, whether or not they'd been recruited before their sixteenth birthday.

 

[tim]

curiously few in the crown forces

But it doesn't matter anymore because everybody thinks that her majesty's a pretty nice girl now

 

[Yossarian]

There's posters of them in every school these days.

Children have to learn them.

The "Rule of Law" finger is a popular one.

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/a-little-bit-isis.344464/

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The age of criminal responsibility is far too young anyway.

Not sure James Bulger's mum and dad would agree.

 

[A380]

So uniquely British too! Or so we're meant to believe

Everyone knows British values are:

No eye contact on the tube.
Hating southerners if you live in the North.
Holding Northerners In amused contempt if you live in the south.
Everyone laughing at people from Norfolk
Thinking we have the best popular music in the world.
Kebabs and pizza.

 

[A380]

You prefer the russian solution to denazification then?

Yes of course I do. You can definitely draw that conclusion from my post.

Besides, the USSR had a Paperclip equivalent too.

 

[xenon]

Millions of German soldiers, scientist and technicians whatever they did or believed under the Nazis, stopped doing it after the war

And why weren't they procecuted. Apart from the famed examples of course. But the lower ranks?

Because it was deamed politically too damaging. Too disruptive to emergent post Nazi German society.

No such circumstances exist in consideration of any potential procecution for returning IS members here.


i.e. if she returns, let her face what procecution / rehabilitation such that exists. Has fuck all to do with what happened in post WWII Germany.

 

[tim]

And do you think that was right?

If people change their ways, as they do that's all that really matters

 

[xenon]

If people change their ways, as they do that's all that really matters

What, in every case every where? This is nonsense.

 

[A380]

Not sure James Bulger's mum and dad would agree.

But Gary Dobson, David Norris and three other cunts might.

 

[tim]

What, in every case every where? This is nonsense.

Help people to rehabilitate and don't punish those who do rehabilitate.

 

[Pickman's model]

Millions of German soldiers, scientist and technicians whatever they did or believed under the Nazis, stopped doing it after the war

or stopped doing it so much...

 

[Pickman's model]

You prefer the russian solution to denazification then?

much denazification was skimpy at best

 

[A380]

or stopped doing it so much...

Or if there was anybody watching...

 

[eoin_k]

She decided to join the gang when she was still under the age of consent.

My reply missread your last post a bit. I responded to it in terms of slut shaming teenagers rather than statutory rape. But, this is an edge case where the moral and legal question about consent are complex. Nothing she is saying as an adult, which she clearly now is, suggests that she sees herself as a victim, or distances herself from IS. Indeed, it's not even clear how old she was when she conceived her three pregnancies.

 

[xenon]

Help people to rehabilitate and don't punish those who do rehabilitate.

This is a bit vague. What do you think should happen to her if she returns to the UK?