British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Spymaster]

The family solicitor Mohammed Akunjee is an islamcist with a track record in supporting CAGE, alleging that the security servies were responsible for Lee Rigbys death as they gave one of his killers a hard time, advising Muslims not to cooperate with Prevent or any other counter terrorism initiatives and said it’s not extremism to call for death of British soldiers as its their job to die.

The family are also victims here though, aren't they? This twat solicitor will have approached them to further his own agenda. Hopefully they'll disengage the cunt pretty quickly.

 

[The39thStep]

Well, thats their PR campaign down the shitter then...

He's also got the 15 year old Syrian kid who got beat up on his books.

 

[likesfish]

i imagine the family wouldn't have anyone else offering to represent them and is proactive looking for clients

 

[Yossarian]

Can I just say that this is absolutely the most twisted usage of this particular term I have ever seen? And I thought liberals were bad for that kind of thing.

Yep, "slut" isn't exactly the first word I'd reach for when describing somebody who ran away to join a group that stoned adulterers to death.

 

[Red Cat]

Can I just say that this is absolutely the most twisted usage of this particular term I have ever seen? And I thought liberals were bad for that kind of thing.

Yeh, I don't really get this interpretation. I think that violent women evoke more hatred than men and that this woman is a good example of that (even if her violence is by proxy) and we should think about that in our reactions to this story, and this may even include an unconscious coupling of sex and violence that makes women, especially mothers, seem even more abhorrent, but these cultural processes are very complex, I wouldn't call it slut shaming.

 

[The39thStep]

The family are also victims here though, aren't they? This twat solicitor will have approached them to further his own agenda. Hopefully they'll disengage the cunt pretty quickly.

There were two other girls who went with her to join ISIS, Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultana. The latter died in an airstrike. Amira's dad took her when she was 13 to three rallies organised by Al-Muhajiroun. Al-Muhajiroun are banned under the Terrorist legislation. He actually attended three of their protests, also at the protests were Anjem Choudary and Michael Adebowale. When he was interviewed after her disappearance he said he couldnt think of any reason why she would go to Syria, he was asked if Amira had been exposed to any extremism, he replied: ‘Not at all. Nothing.’

 

[Spymaster]

There were two other girls who went with her to join ISIS, Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultana. The latter died in an airstrike. Amira's dad took her when she was 13 to three rallies organised by Al-Muhajiroun. Al-Muhajiroun are banned under the Terrorist legislation. He actually attended three of their protests, also at the protests were Anjem Choudary and Michael Adebowale. When he was interviewed after her disappearance he said he couldnt think of any reason why she would go to Syria, he was asked if Amira had been exposed to any extremism, he replied: ‘Not at all. Nothing.’

Actually, yes you're right. Begum's father was on the news yesterday, crying and saying that he regretted his own (islamist) actions of the past.

 

[eoin_k]

Tell you what, if she shows up and starts making jokes about bombing buses on here I'll be equally critical. Fair? And it wasn't "gallows humour" it was a snide remark using a shitty premise.

She's said plenty that is offensive. The main difference is that she gives every appearance of being entirely in earnest.

 

[Spymaster]

Terrible story . One minute this family has packed their suncream, swimming gear and holiday reading for a break in the Turkish sun and the next minute they end up ,to their surprise, joining the ISIS state.
'We were going on holiday but ended up in Syria'- British family detained for Isil links plea for return to Britain

Happens all the time. One minute you're going down to the pool bar for a mojito in Bodrum, the next you wake up amidst a drone strike in Raqqa, have 2 kids, and can't escape for years.

 

[felixthecat]

Someone has just sent me this - Katie Hopkins take on the situation.



It's to wind me up because they know how much I despise this vile woman and every last word that comes out of her bigoted mouth

 

[Spymaster]

...rather than you actually thinking she deserved it via her own actions? Bizarre.

She left the UK with the express intention of becoming an accomplice to rape and murder. I couldn't care less what happens to her.

 

[Yossarian]

Someone has just sent me this - Katie Hopkins take on the situation.



It's to wind me up because they know how much I despise this vile woman and every last word that comes out of her bigoted mouth

It brings up some valid questions - is this woman so twisted by hate that she can never integrate back into society, or is there any hope of redemption? What's to stop her connecting with other extremists? Should she be allowed to live a life of freedom, or kept in custody until it can be determined that she's not as dangerous as she might seem?

Sorry for the derail, back to Shamima Begum...

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[A380]

I can’t wait for some posters to pop up and say Katie Hopkins shouldn’t be held accountable for her actions for some reason...

 

[The Pale King]

She was recruited by an organisation that used snuff movies for propaganda, as well as drones to help lay waste to large chunks of Syria. She still expresses no regrets and speaks casually about why it might have been necessary to murder journalists, a sentiment I share rhetorically at times to be fair, but you know her associates actually did it. The people running her refugee camp are probably only alive because they called in drone strikes against these associates... frankly a bit of gallows humour from a stranger online is the least of her worries.

"She expresses no regrets". Has it occurred to you that she is unable to speak freely? I would be wary of taking the Times report as gospel, who knows who else is in the camp.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

"She expresses no regrets". Has it occurred to you that she is unable to speak freely?

She spoke pretty freely about IS deserving to fail. So in what way is she unable to speak freely? What do you know that we don't?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

She left the UK with the express intention of becoming an accomplice to rape and murder.

There's no way of finessing this point really. Nonsense about how hard her life here must have been doesn't cut it - and is based on a bunch of unproven assumptions anyway. She grew up in a Bangladeshi family in Bethnal Green so must have had a deprived childhood? Get to fuck. That just doesn't hold water. A glance at educational achievement records shows that - high numbers of Bangladeshi girls doing well at school and going on to university. The idea that she was somehow driven to this by the evilness of British society is simply nonsense, and dangerous nonsense imo as it potentially obscures the actual motivations and drivers. The answers, if there are answers, are simply not that easy.

 

[cupid_stunt]

"She expresses no regrets". Has it occurred to you that she is unable to speak freely? I would be wary of taking the Times report as gospel, who knows who else is in the camp.

And, yet, she felt free enough to say:
"And there is so much oppression and corruption going on that I don't really think they [IS] deserve victory."

Not able to 'speak freely', my arse.

 

[The Pale King]

She spoke pretty freely about IS deserving to fail. So in what way is she unable to speak freely? What do you know that we don't?

I don't know anything but I would be wary of taking the times interview as straightforwardly indicative of her state of mind.

 

[The Pale King]

And, yet, she felt free enough to say:
"And there is so much oppression and corruption going on that I don't really think they [IS] deserve victory."

Might be an acceptable form of critique to true believers.

 

[ice-is-forming]

I would think the red crescent might have more success.

Same org different logo

 

[The39thStep]

She left the UK with the express intention of becoming an accomplice to rape and murder. I couldn't care less what happens to her.

I couldnt either . However returning jihaads/brides of jihaads is a complex issue and one size solution won't fit all. Its estimated that anywhere between 400-500 have returned with various levels of risk to our security , 40 prosecuted others offered support programmes and others under surveillance. The vast majority apparantly didnt stay very long with ISIS and all returned voluntarily. This most recent case is a little bit different in that she is one of the first being forced to consider come back not because of disullsionment but by military defeat. She and anyone else wanting to returned have stayed to the death. They are going to be harder to rehabilitate, if indeed they even want to . In some cases they could present a risk to others in terms of contamination/radicalisation. They are going to find it hard to be anonymous, hard to find work, they may have pyschiatric disorders and for those with children there are child protection issues. Some should be stripped of British citzenship in my view and left there ( although I have sympathy for the Kurds having to put up with them) others allowed back and prosecuted if there is sufficient evidence but I find it hard to make a case for us going over and facilitating their return.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I don't know anything but I would be wary of taking the times interview as straightforwardly indicative of her state of mind.

Seems that some folk are just desperate for anything to grab hold of that excuse her actions. Sometimes you need to accept that some people are just cunts.

 

[A380]

Ha

"She expresses no regrets". Has it occurred to you that she is unable to speak freely? I would be wary of taking the Times report as gospel, who knows who else is in the camp.

Have you listened to the interview? If so why do you think she felt safe enough to criticise IS but not to express regrets?

 

[MrSki]

Same org different logo

Given the situation, I think the logo might matter.

 

[The Pale King]

Seems that some folk are just desperate for anything to grab hold of that excuse her actions. Sometimes you need to accept that some people are just cunts.

Fuck off. I said upthread she should face justice in Britain and very possibly spend the rest of her life in prison. But I will not take as gospel what she is reported saying in the times. There might be reasons why she uses the form of words she does. I look forward to her facing justice.

 

[The Pale King]

Ha

Have you listened to the interview? If so why do you think she felt safe enough to criticise IS but not to express regrets?

No just read the article in today's times. To be clear, my objection i treating the interview as though it were a statement in a court of law and using it to say she should be made stateless. I look forward to her going on trial.

 

[danny la rouge]

Cheers. If you had given that any currency I would have had to consider it.

I understand where it’s coming from, but he overstated his case in hyperbolic fashion.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Fuck off. I said upthread she should face justice in Britain and very possibly spend the rest of her life in prison. But I will not take as gospel what she is reported saying in the times. There might be reasons why she uses the form of words she does. I look forward to her facing justice.

She's not reported as saying anything, she is recorded speaking plainly on film, stating she has no regrets about running away to join ISIS, that she feels ISIS deserve to fail as they are not hardcore enough, ffs.

And whatever prosecution she may face should she get her arse back to the UK, it will not involve life without parole. And she can't be made stateless.

Get a grip.

 

[Spymaster]

Seems that some folk are just desperate for anything to grab hold of that excuse her actions.

It presses all the leftie twonk buttons; brown skin, female, muslim ... Can do no wrong!

If this were a white, nazi, male, Christian, who'd been greasing the wheels of the rape and murder of black Africans, most of the posters on this thread would have suddenly developed a taste for capital punishment.