British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Tones]

Oh yeh cos cops are honest and truthful

Fair enough. It would be better if they had to convince a court at least.

 

[Tones]

You'd hope so, wouldn't you. But going by the abysmal job they've been doing on that front for years and years maybe it isn't their main job after all

Yes they could save more lives by paying nurses enough so they don't have to eat from food banks!

 

[bimble]

Braverman went on GB News today to say how she'd like the UK to leave the european convention on human rights (to join Belarus and Russia) because that convention is 'inconsistent with British Values' - anyone who trusts these people and is happy to focus on begum the baddie when talking about this move they've made re stripping citizenship is either dishonest or just naive as fuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes they could save more lives by paying nurses enough so they don't have to eat from food banks!

I think you need to reassess what the main job of the government is

 

[Rob Ray]

the British governments main job is to protect British people.

In theory, yes (as Pickman's notes, in practice is somewhat different). It is not my job, however, to encourage the government in its tendency to treat people who happen to have been born on the wrong side of the Channel (or indeed on this side but with the wrong parents) as though their lives are worth less than ours.

 

[maomao]

If Russ is who I think he is (russ with numbers after, and then oddjob) he's always had a thing for florid and obscene abuse of women. Which as been said says more about him than the object of his abuse.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

The problem with waving her back is I doubt she’d ever be able to lead a normal life now after all the publicity and would probably have to go into police protection. Fucked up really. If she was going to come back at all it should have happened immediately without fanfare.

 

[bimble]

Let's stop calling her a cunt. Because she won't see it, but women who want to engage with the thread will.

Appreciate the sentiment here but i don't feel offended by the word cunt tbh. The amount of posters who are fine with my citizenship being provisional according to the judgement of Suella Braverman is properly disconcerting though.

 

[muscovyduck]

Appreciate the sentiment here but i don't feel offended by the word cunt tbh. The amount of posters who are fine with my citizenship being provisional according to the judgement of Suella Braverman is properly disconcerting though.

It doesn't have to be an either or. I'm in the same boat as you but a bit weirded out by middle aged men calling a young woman a cunt. This puts me off engaging with the discussion around the weaponsation of citizenship loopholes, which I was also directly affected by in my late teens, like the young woman we're discussing and like those kids who went missing in Brighton recently. People called me a cunt when I was going through that too.

 

[muscovyduck]

FWIW I'm usually in the camp happy with people using the word cunt. But in this context it's fucking vile.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Yeah it’s useful to know that it isn’t always appropriate. My dad gave me a good hiding when I was young and called him it (in jest) but nowadays it’s pretty common parlance and my mother is unfazed when I point to the telly and call someone it.

 

[maomao]

It doesn't have to be an either or. I'm in the same boat as you but a bit weirded out by middle aged men calling a young woman a cunt. This puts me off engaging with the discussion around the weaponsation of citizenship loopholes, which I was also directly affected by in my late teens, like the young woman we're discussing and like those kids who went missing in Brighton recently. People called me a cunt when I was going through that too.

Agreed. The C-word has always been an Urban staple but that doesn't mean it's not creepy and weird in certain contexts.

 

[maomao]

Yeah it’s useful to know that it isn’t always appropriate. My dad gave me a good hiding when I was young and called him it (in jest) but nowadays it’s pretty common parlance and my mother is unfazed when I point to the telly and call someone it.

My mum took the traditional feminist line that it was offensive to women to use it as an insult. But in fact this meant that she only used it when she was really angry making the effect that she was claiming even worse. She's 81 this year and about a year ago she called some old fella on her residents committee a cunt to his face. I couldn't have been prouder.

 

[bimble]

yeah, the language just feels part of the general messed up obsession with begum herself tbh.

 

[muscovyduck]

yeah, the language just feels part of the general messed up obsession with begum tbh.

It comes from the same place as the bullshit legal semantics we've seen play out, just different people have different weapons or methods at their disposal. It's about hatred, punching down, and an element of theatre in the vein of "look at the power I/we have". In all of this, people going for Begum are playing up to the camera.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Do you just disagree with it full stop. Are there any circumstances when you think it's OK? Like if the police were 100% sure they wanted to set off a bomb.

Somehow Britain managed to survive for 30 years between 1973 and 2003 without stripping a single person of UK citizenship. Now they number hundreds per year.

We need to be strong enough, imho, to resist the urge to give governments more powers over us because of fear of terrorism. That has happened an awful lot over the last couple of decades. Once those powers are there, it is very hard to take them away.

 

[muscovyduck]

My own observation, as I gently tip my toe in this thread, is that the underlying problem and the people that caused this situation is in the UK regardless of what happens with Begum's citizenship. Every adult who had even a passing responsibility of care towards Begum should be under a fucking microscope. Like fuck they didn't spot anything, every time there's a child safeguarding issue thats what people claim to cover their backs but with even gentle questioning you can usually coax out of them "there were rumours" "I did think X was weird" or some other story, and just watch the narrative keep shifting from there. While this legal pantomime is going on, that won't happen.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

The problem is the majority of kids will experiment with booze, drugs etc maybe do other inadvisable stuff like fuck about on railway lines but most don’t put themselves on a plane towards a foreign war zone with the sole intention of being impregnated by fascists in order to reproduce those politics.

 

[cesare]

Thread should be moved to Worldwide forum, the cunt isnt a British citizen any more.
and doesnt even live here

That's fucking nasty.

 

[Spymaster]

There are differences. For starters, Letts was aware that he was a dual national and has not been left stateless. For seconders, he was in his 20s when he went to join Daesh.

But I don't agree with the stripping of his nationality either, now you ask. The change in the law in 2003 to allow this to be done to people who are citizens by birth was a thoroughly bad thing.

The only reason that Letts isn't stateless is that Canada is not a dogshitingly corrupt, failed state, whose principal politicians actively sympathised with IS, but have now realised that they backed the wrong horse.

Fuck Bangladesh, and the reinvention of their cartoon constitution.

 

[Spymaster]

Thread should be moved to Worldwide forum, the cunt isnt a British citizen any more.
and doesnt even live here

You're a wanker.

 

[Spymaster]

The amount of posters who are fine with my citizenship being provisional according to the judgement of Suella Braverman is properly disconcerting though.

I’m in the same boat as you but am not the slightest bit disconcerted because I don’t intend to join a genocidal rape cult. If I did, I’d simply renounce my non-British citizenship.

 

[bimble]

I’m in the same boat as you but am not the slightest bit disconcerted because I don’t intend to join a genocidal rape cult. If I did, I’d simply renounce my non-British citizenship.

the difference is you clearly have a lot of faith in suella braverman and i dont.

 

[Spymaster]

the difference is you clearly have a lot of faith in suella braverman and i dont.

You don’t need faith in her to feel secure about not being made stateless unless you’re planning some serious silliness and you’re not really worried about it at all, are you?

 

[Pickman's model]

You don’t need faith in her to feel secure about not being made stateless unless you’re planning some serious silliness and you’re not really worried about it at all, are you?

If you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear all over again.

 

[bimble]

I'm not massively worried about it for my own self no. But as a principle yes think its scary as fuck.
The law says one of the things you can do that warrants this is "unacceptable behaviour", in the personal judgement of suella. oh ok that's clearly defined and sounds fine then.

 

[Spymaster]

If you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear all over again.

In this particular case it’s a pretty solid principle.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m in the same boat as you but am not the slightest bit disconcerted because I don’t intend to join a genocidal rape cult. If I did, I’d simply renounce my non-British citizenship.

I don't think that'd make the blindest bit of difference, the government of the day would say a) you could potentially be an Irish national and b) you were deliberately making yourself stateless and the consequences were down to your actions

 

[_Russ_]

..and proud of it

 

[Spymaster]

I don't think that'd make the blindest bit of difference, the government of the day would say a) you could potentially be an Irish national and b) you were deliberately making yourself stateless and the consequences were down to your actions

Can you show some examples of that ever happening?