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You used to be so nice when did you become such an arsehole?You'll get what you're given and you'll like it
Lol.
You used to be so nice when did you become such an arsehole?You'll get what you're given and you'll like it
Do you know that's the very question I've been asking myself about you for some time nowYou used to be so nice when did you become such an arsehole?
Lol.
Do you know that's the very question I've been asking myself about you for some time now
A good reason for her wanting to return to the UK, then - even if she was convicted and given a prison sentence it would still be finite. I'm not even sure what a minor could be charged with - aiding and abetting a foreign power? Treason?
This.My own view FWIW - based on what I've read and what I've heard of her interviews on the podcast - is of a naive, not particularly likeable person; at first unrepentant at having thrown in her lot with Da'esh, until she realised how negatively she was being perceived in the UK, and therefore needed to try to swing public opinion in her favour.
You used to be so nice …
She's guilty as fuck. But the fact remains she made that decision when she was a child. Which should automatically override everything else.
The journo who made that documentary basically said the same in his own interviews afterwards. She's not a very likeable person at all and her story is full of holes. She apparently relishes her 'celebrity' status in the camp and demands designer clothes/sunglasses in return for interviews. She's not a very nice person from what i can tell but she was an impressionable kid. So give her a shot at redemption.
The age of criminal responsibility is 10.
She's guilty as fuck. But the fact remains she made that decision when she was a child. Which should automatically override everything else.
The journo who made that documentary basically said the same in his own interviews afterwards. She's not a very likeable person at all and her story is full of holes. She apparently relishes her 'celebrity' status in the camp and demands designer clothes/sunglasses in return for interviews. She's not a very nice person from what i can tell but she was an impressionable kid. So give her a shot at redemption.
I didn't know that. But if true (and I don't doubt you), that insane. In my humble completely legally unqualified opinion.
Some movement to try and change it, I’m less sure on others around the world but I‘m under impression its certainly low in comparison.
I didn't know that. But if true (and I don't doubt you), that insane. In my humble completely legally unqualified opinion.
The age of criminal responsibility is 10.
To be tried as a child. As an adult I think it's 16? So if or when she returns there's going to be a whole load or arguing whether to try her as a child or an adult (I am guessing anyway)
They might sometimes know something we don't. We might sometimes know something they don't. What we won't know is if they actually know something we don't or whether they are just pretending.The only thing that should over ride everything else is public safety if they know something we don't.
Its reactionary, seeing so much crap defense of someone who willfully joined a bunch of murderous scumbags knowing full well what they did (apparemtly intelligent young girl full internet acces) and was quite happy there till the murderers had their arses kicked and things started looking iffy, all this trafficking BS for instance thats being bandied about lately...its bullshit and the lovies fall straight inIt's often instructive about who people are, not far from the surface, when you get this kind of case. It's like an "oh I'm allowed to be a spiteful shit because they're officially wrong 'uns" switch has been flicked.
Who, me? I've already spoken to the contrary in this very thread. I don't mind if an active fascist gets a kicking or a jail term that makes them think twice about murdering someone, to be sure, but I also hope for them to change their mind – and I see little benefit in deliberately locking them on a course where remaining fascist is the only remaining play. I'm not particularly interested in self-indulgent posturing about inflicting pain on people for the sake of it.Come on though. You wouldn’t care if the topic was about a white male fascist. National Action aren’t even guilty of being morality police ffs.
I fully understand your view Russ, I'm saying your bloodthirsty response is quite telling.Its reactionary
There are differences. For starters, Letts was aware that he was a dual national and has not been left stateless. For seconders, he was in his 20s when he went to join Daesh.Of course they wouldn't.
Jack Letts was also stripped of his UK citizenship under similar circumstances but as a white male, did not warrant the 200 page thread.
There are differences. For starters, Letts was aware that he was a dual national and has not been left stateless. For seconders, he was in his 20s when he went to join Daesh.
But I don't agree with the stripping of his nationality either, now you ask. The change in the law in 2003 to allow this to be done to people who are citizens by birth was a thoroughly bad thing.
How does stripping someone of their citizenship help, exactly? Let's say, for a moment, that Begum is still dangerous. As it stands, all that's been achieved with this measure is a guarantee that she'll be a near-permanent problem for the Kurds to deal with – a country that had no hand in creating her and which suffered greatly from the actions of her comrades. If they release her then she still wants to set off a bomb, and Britain has merely done what it always does - inflict the problems it's created on others. I don't see this as much to brag about.Do you just disagree with it full stop. Are there any circumstances when you think it's OK? Like if the police were 100% sure they wanted to set off a bomb.
Yeah I suppose. But I guess the British governments main job is to protect British people.How does stripping someone of their citizenship help, exactly? Let's say, for a moment, that Begum is still dangerous. As it stands, all that's been achieved with this measure is a guarantee that she'll be a near-permanent problem for the Kurds to deal with – a country that had no hand in creating her and which suffered greatly from the actions of her comrades. If they release her then she still wants to set off a bomb, and Britain has merely done what it always does - inflict the problems it's created on others. I don't see this as much to brag about.
Oh yeh cos cops are honest and truthfulDo you just disagree with it full stop. Are there any circumstances when you think it's OK? Like if the police were 100% sure they wanted to set off a bomb.
You'd hope so, wouldn't you. But going by the abysmal job they've been doing on that front for years and years maybe it isn't their main job after allYeah I suppose. But I guess the British governments main job is to protect British people.