British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Do you know that's the very question I've been asking myself about you for some time nowYou used to be so nice when did you become such an arsehole?
Lol.
Riklet
procrastinación
Well thats great and youre perfectly entitled to feel that and maybe I am a less kind patient person than I used to be.
but this thread isnt about me. and its certainly not about whatever stuff ive said on other threads (def nothing transphobic or that wild out of the hundreds of pages of bile that ive seen on these forums). So maybe lets refrain from this childish pile on.
In the end does it really make anyone a monster if they think Shamima Begum should stay semi imprisoned in a refugee camp in Kurdistan rather than come back to the UK? I dont see why this view is so extreme for you whiners. I bet her kurdish and arab neighbours in the refugee camp would laugh if you posed this question to them. you know... the innocent people she helped put there and now she has to live along side? Yeahh I bet they really think she should should have her passport back and get extradited to Erbil for a charter flight home.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
IF she was brought back and charged in the UK, the most she’d likely face is a section 11 or section 12, membership/supporting terrorism. Maximum 10 years but she’d likely get 5 and serve about 3.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
It doesn't make someone a monster to feel punitively against someone they feel has done something evil (though such feelings, indulged, can lead to monstrous outcomes). But it's not justice, and it invites unpleasant consequences.
And if I may make a suggestion, if you wish to avoid childish responses, avoid distributing childish insults.
And if I may make a suggestion, if you wish to avoid childish responses, avoid distributing childish insults.
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
This.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You sure you’ve got the right bloke?
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She's guilty as fuck. But the fact remains she made that decision when she was a child. Which should automatically override everything else.
The journo who made that documentary basically said the same in his own interviews afterwards. She's not a very likeable person at all and her story is full of holes. She apparently relishes her 'celebrity' status in the camp and demands designer clothes/sunglasses in return for interviews. She's not a very nice person from what i can tell but she was an impressionable kid. So give her a shot at redemption.
The journo who made that documentary basically said the same in his own interviews afterwards. She's not a very likeable person at all and her story is full of holes. She apparently relishes her 'celebrity' status in the camp and demands designer clothes/sunglasses in return for interviews. She's not a very nice person from what i can tell but she was an impressionable kid. So give her a shot at redemption.
The age of criminal responsibility is 10.
I didn't know that. But if true (and I don't doubt you), that insane. In my humble completely legally unqualified opinion.
The only thing that should over ride everything else is public safety if they know something we don't.
Some movement to try and change it, I’m less sure on others around the world but I‘m under impression its certainly low in comparison.
Believe its 12 in Scotland.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
The Jamie Bulger killers were both 10 at the time.
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
To be tried as a child. As an adult I think it's 16? So if or when she returns there's going to be a whole load or arguing whether to try her as a child or an adult (I am guessing anyway)
18 from googling. But the internet also says its based on your age at the first court appearance.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
They might sometimes know something we don't. We might sometimes know something they don't. What we won't know is if they actually know something we don't or whether they are just pretending.
In this case there is nothing they might know of any relevance that they couldn't make public.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
It's often instructive about who people are, not far from the surface, when you get this kind of case. It's like an "oh I'm allowed to be a spiteful shit because they're officially wrong 'uns" switch has been flicked. Sort of person who's super nice in person and a raging prick in the safety of their own head, and you just get little glimpses of it now and again, when they reckon they're on the Side of Right.
Come on though. You wouldn’t care if the topic was about a white male fascist. National Action aren’t even guilty of being morality police ffs.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Its reactionary, seeing so much crap defense of someone who willfully joined a bunch of murderous scumbags knowing full well what they did (apparemtly intelligent young girl full internet acces) and was quite happy there till the murderers had their arses kicked and things started looking iffy, all this trafficking BS for instance thats being bandied about lately...its bullshit and the lovies fall straight in
Organised rape of the ‘spoils of war’. Don’t be nasty about them.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Who, me? I've already spoken to the contrary in this very thread. I don't mind if an active fascist gets a kicking or a jail term that makes them think twice about murdering someone, to be sure, but I also hope for them to change their mind – and I see little benefit in deliberately locking them on a course where remaining fascist is the only remaining play. I'm not particularly interested in self-indulgent posturing about inflicting pain on people for the sake of it.
I fully understand your view Russ, I'm saying your bloodthirsty response is quite telling.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There are differences. For starters, Letts was aware that he was a dual national and has not been left stateless. For seconders, he was in his 20s when he went to join Daesh.
But I don't agree with the stripping of his nationality either, now you ask. The change in the law in 2003 to allow this to be done to people who are citizens by birth was a thoroughly bad thing.
Do you just disagree with it full stop. Are there any circumstances when you think it's OK? Like if the police were 100% sure they wanted to set off a bomb.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
How does stripping someone of their citizenship help, exactly? Let's say, for a moment, that Begum is still dangerous. As it stands, all that's been achieved with this measure is a guarantee that she'll be a near-permanent problem for the Kurds to deal with – a country that had no hand in creating her and which suffered greatly from the actions of her comrades. If they release her then she still wants to set off a bomb, and Britain has merely done what it always does - inflict the problems it's created on others. I don't see this as much to brag about.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Let's stop calling her a cunt. Because she won't see it, but women who want to engage with the thread will.
Yeah I suppose. But I guess the British governments main job is to protect British people.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh yeh cos cops are honest and truthful
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You'd hope so, wouldn't you. But going by the abysmal job they've been doing on that front for years and years maybe it isn't their main job after all
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