Athos
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Especially Millwall.
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Sure. By that time she had been living in the ‘caliphate’ for >3 years. That’s gotta fuck with your mind some…
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
WTF?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Reported you for being a misogynist prick.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
This isn't 4chan, bogbrush, take that shit elsewhere.
On the subject of spouting bloodthirsty crap Spymaster, you know perfectly well that as bad or worse is said all the time by people who have, for example, been through a war or fallen in with hard-line types. And drawing vulnerable teens into these attitudes is how death cults work.
Not only does it expose your own lack of human feeling to use such lines to try and dehumanise and justify inhuman treatment of another, it's also a ridiculous attitude in practical terms. How do you ever expect to draw people away from such cults if you slam the door on any hope of redemption?
On the subject of spouting bloodthirsty crap Spymaster, you know perfectly well that as bad or worse is said all the time by people who have, for example, been through a war or fallen in with hard-line types. And drawing vulnerable teens into these attitudes is how death cults work.
Not only does it expose your own lack of human feeling to use such lines to try and dehumanise and justify inhuman treatment of another, it's also a ridiculous attitude in practical terms. How do you ever expect to draw people away from such cults if you slam the door on any hope of redemption?
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hiraethified
I'd definitely ban you for a week for posting up such vile, misogynistic shit.
skyscraper101
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Fucking hell. Well done on totally not reading the room.
JimW
支那暗杀团
I've reported this shite.
They got banned quarter of an hour ago.
JimW
支那暗杀团
I know, I was cooking and reading and didn't refresh. Still, safest to get that boot in when they're already down.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but they'll be back
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Just a week?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
On the subject of radicalisation and extremism, including jihadis, Deeyah Khan has done some good stuff about that (atleast two documenetaries I think) and has had some interesting things to say about it.
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Would you apply this to fascists as well?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Mate I'd hazard that about 1/8 of the British population would welcome fascism with open arms if WWII weren't part of the Great Britain mythos – if we're ever going to improve matters you'd better start believing in the hope of their redemption.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Absolutely of course. Pretty much anyone who admits that they made mistakes and have genuinely changed their mind. Although that doesn't mean it has to be a personalised 'forgiveness' by the people their activity and attitudes have directly harmed of course, but on a societal level it's essential.
To have any other position is an admission that no better world is possible, and is the position of morally absolutist teenagers and political ideologues.
Athos
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What about people who (eventually) purport to have changed their mind only after they've been captured, and are detained in circumstances where they have an overwhelming motive to say whatever it takes (whether or not it's true), and where the genuineness of their supposed conversion can't really be tested?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, as have said I think that's really complicated, I was more addressing the point generally rather than specifically.
I wonder if Griffin had been involved in activities abroad that involved female enslavement for sexual purposes amongst other horrors whether you'd be making calls for redemption or not.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
'Involved in' as in responsible for or victim of?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Redeem him with extreme prejudice
Ah, I see you've already made judgements on both.
Athos
Well-Known Member
What if his supporters said he was a 'victim of'?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Well then they'd be wrong.
And I don't think Begum has any 'supporters' anyway, so your otherwise fascinating thought experiment doesn't really have much bearing on anything.
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