British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Mr.Bishie]

I'll bet it felt like an adventure at the time.

I doubt it. There were external factors at work I feel.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I doubt it. There were external factors at work I feel.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Leaving your country of birth at 15 to join Daesh is far from an "adventure/scrape"

The thing is, on some levels it really isn't. It's a politically specific adventure/scrap of our times. Like running away to join a cult. Something that thank fuck few young people are actually doing but it's very much representative of the complex nature of relationships, identities, loyalties and access to info that we all experience now.

 

[Treacle Toes]

They admitted that themselves up thread

Yes I know but 'they' weren't just a twat..they were clearly getting other things right is my point.

 

[LDC]

Of course that unborn child is the most important thing ffs!

What risk to other lives are you on about?

Anyone that has to go over there to sort this mess out. Syria is far from safe anywhere. And the risk to anyone here that bringing her back might increase.

The baby is her responsibility when/if its born, as where the other two that died due to her decisions.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Anyone that has to go over there to sort this mess out. Syria is far from safe anywhere. And the risk to anyone here that bringing her back might increase.

The baby is her responsibility when/if its born, as where the other two that died due to her decisions.

Why would any relevant UK authorities need to travel to Syria when she's now in the UK?

As for your last snippet, fuck me!

 

[Athos]

I did some silly things in my youth. I didn't, however, travel half way around the world to enthusiastically volunteer physical and emotional support to men whom I knew were raping, torturing, and murdering people, because I believed in their bigotry.

 

[Spymaster]

Why would any relevant UK authorities need to travel to Syria when she's now in the UK?

She's not in the UK.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I doubt it. There were external factors at work I feel.

Can you expand on this please?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I did some silly things in my youth. I didn't, however, travel half way around the world to enthusiastically volunteer physical and emotional support to men whom I knew were raping, torturing, and murdering people, because I believed in their bigotry.

At 15/16 when I joined the Forces, I had absolutely no idea of what the British State were doing in NI.

This young girl was fucking coerced into something she didn't want to do, & you fuckin well know it.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Can you expand on this please?

See my last post to the lawyer. Christ on a bike!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

She's not in the UK.

My mistake!

 

[LDC]

This young girl was fucking coerced into something she didn't want to do, & you fuckin well know it.

Do you have the evidence for that, or it is just speculation?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This young girl was fucking coerced into something she didn't want to do, & you fuckin well know it.

We really don't know that.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Do you have the evidence for that, or it is just speculation?

Evidence & speculation aside, what would your gut feeling be?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

We really don't know that.

Bring her back & hang her then. Job done.

 

[Athos]

At 15/16 when I joined the Forces, I had absolutely no idea of what the British State were doing in NI.

This young girl was fucking coerced into something she didn't want to do, & you fuckin well know it.

By the time she joined, what IS was doing was well known. And I've seen no evidence of any coercion; she makes no such claim. She's said nothing that suggests she didn't wholeheartedly embrace IS's murderous ideology, or, even that's she rejects it now!

 

[tim]

That's a bit whatabouterry, though. Of course the world is an awful place full of cunts and the cunts in power are the worst of the lot. But as chilango asked earlier, there is a solid practical problem for all of us here with people like this woman returning to the UK. How do we, as a society, deal with such a situation? Do we say and do nothing and just let them slip quietly back in? No doubt that has happened in one or two cases where people have flown under the radar, but when we know who they are and even help them to return? Then what do we do? I don't think the fact that the UK's political leaders also have blood on their hands helps to answer that question.

Much less of a challenge than that faced in the aftermath of the Good Friday Agreement when hundreds of people from opposing groups were released early from prison. Few of whom went back to armed struggle.

In all, 428 terrorists, including 143 serving life sentences, had been released since the scheme began 22 months ago. Mass killers and bombers, many responsible for the worst atrocities during 30 years of violence in the province, walked free today to be welcomed by cheering supporters.

IRA men, UDA and UFF men, men from the UVF, LVF and INLA, they all walked. The prison service made sure the releases were phased and that republicans and loyalists did not bump into each other in the car parks of the high security prison. Indeed, they ensured rival loyalists were kept well apart from each other.

Redirect Notice

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Bring her back & hang her then. Job done.

Ok, so now it is your turn to be a dick.

 

[Treacle Toes]

At 15/16 when I joined the Forces, I had absolutely no idea of what the British State were doing in NI.

This young girl was fucking coerced into something she didn't want to do, & you fuckin well know it.

Thank fuck you responded to that nonsense. I'll take it further, people like you, others I know, joined what you saw as worthy causes. Rape, murder, torture are not solely the realm of the likes of Daesh afterall.

 

[Treacle Toes]

See my last post to the lawyer. Christ on a bike!

Yeah sorry I read that post you responded to and just stared at the screen in disbelief tbh, hence the delay.

 

[Spymaster]

By the time she joined, what IS was doing was well known. And I've seen no evidence of any coercion; she makes no such claim.

Indeed. She says:

"I applied to marry an English-speaking fighter between 20 and 25 years old,"

 

[tim]

As a Londoner I'm more likely to be killed by a tree than by a Jihadi terrorist, even a 19 year old one pushing a pram

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Ok, so now it is your turn to be a dick.

I’ve been here long enough to prove that I’m not. But sometimes I do like to jump on the bandwagon

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I’ve been here long enough to prove that I’m not. But sometimes I do like to jump on the bandwagon

You suggested a dichotomy of either she was coerced against her will or she is to be condemned in a way that precludes any possibility of redemption. I don't accept that dichotomy. fwiw I think it's unlikely she went against her will. She probably went rather enthusiastically. That means she has to take some responsibility for her actions, but it does not mean she is beyond redemption or deserves to be locked away forever.

 

[Yossarian]

By the time she joined, what IS was doing was well known. And I've seen no evidence of any coercion; she makes no such claim.

Yep, ISIS were around the height of their powers when Begum and her classmates ran away, they would have known all about the Yazidis, the beheading of hostages etc. - they ran away in Feb. 2015, about two weeks after ISIS made headlines around the world by releasing a video of a captured pilot being burned alive in a cage.

 

[Athos]

Yep, ISIS were around the height of their powers when Begum and her classmates ran away, they would have known all about the Yazidis, the beheading of hostages etc. - they ran away in Feb. 2015, about two weeks after ISIS made headlines around the world by releasing a video of a captured pilot being burned alive in a cage.

Kids, eh? Always getting into scrapes.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

You suggested a dichotomy of either she was coerced against her will or she is to be condemned in a way that precludes any possibility of redemption. I don't accept that dichotomy. fwiw I think it's unlikely she went against her will. She probably went rather enthusiastically. That means she has to take some responsibility for her actions, but it does not mean she is beyond redemption or deserves to be locked away forever.

Yet you couldn’t give a fuck about her unborn.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yet you couldn’t give a fuck about her unborn.

Where have I said that???? I've said explicitly that I would support the idea that the UK govt helps her and her child to come back. Fucksake.

 

[kebabking]

See, the running away at 15 to make a radically new life in a political/religious project in a new country is an adventure - it would have been exciting to plan it and exciting to do it. A year later however it's no longer an adventure, it's a no longer exciting japes, it's something you've really committed to.

If she'd got there and three weeks later said 'shit, I think i've really fucked up here...' then my attitude would be very different.