British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[LDC]

And what happens to that child is paramount in all this imo!

Actually I think the child is not the most important thing, more important is not risking anyone's life to go and sort out this mess of her creating.

 

[Treacle Toes]

But she's a grown up now.

"I'm not the same silly little 15-year-old schoolgirl who ran away from Bethnal Green four years ago"

I am a bit confused as to why all of a sudden being 19 is so strictly adult and grown up...she is still a teenager, she is a very young woman not a fully fledged grown up regardless of the awfulness she has been involved in.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Actually I think the child is not the most important thing, more important is not risking anyone's life to go and sort out this mess of her creating.

Of course that unborn child is the most important thing ffs!

What risk to other lives are you on about?

 

[editor]

I am a bit confused as to why all of a sudden being 19 is so strictly adult and grown up...she is still a teenager, she is a very young woman not a fully fledged grown up regardless of the awfulness she has been involved in.

I'm a bit confused why a clearly strong-willed, resourceful and determined young woman keeps getting dismissed as a child.

 

[Treacle Toes]

That's assuming that she actually feels the need to accept any responsibility or wants to 'process' anything.

IS runaway teen 'could be prosecuted in UK'

I can't imagine anyone in her position saying 'I regret coming here. I was groomed and stupid'. She'd be dead shortly after.

 

[eoin_k]

I can't imagine anyone in her position saying 'I regret coming here. I was groomed and stupid'. She'd be dead shortly after.

She hasn't exactly pulled her punches about what she thinks is wrong with the Caliphate.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm a bit confused why a clearly strong-willed, resourceful and determined young woman keeps getting dismissed as a child.

Who is dismissing her as a 'child'? This polarising is really silly tbh. Is it so long ago that you can't remember what a good awful mess of strong willed, bad decision making time being 19 is?

 

[gentlegreen]

Was the talking about severed heads just for show ?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm a bit confused why a clearly strong-willed, resourceful and determined young woman keeps getting dismissed as a child.

I am a bit confused as to why all of a sudden being 19 is so strictly adult and grown up...she is still a teenager, she is a very young woman not a fully fledged grown up regardless of the awfulness she has been involved in.

Both of these can be, and probably are, true. Running away to Syria aged 15 took resourcefulness and determination. But she can still also be not fully grown up in her decision-making and 'moral compass' at the same time, and prone to seeing things in the very black and white 'I know it all' way that teenagers tend to see things.

 

[Treacle Toes]

She hasn't exactly pulled her punches about what she thinks is wrong with the Caliphate.

Okay..been at work until now tbh so happy to read anything that details this...I have only caught the headlines and summaries on radio since yesterday.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

From the age of 18, she's an adult in the eyes of UK law.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Was the talking about severed heads just for show ?

She was asked a question.

She answered.

Perhaps she should have lied?

I did think when hearing that that there was a deadness about her. Flat, matter of fact.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

From the age of 18, she's an adult in the eyes of UK law.

I was a fucking idiot when I was 18.

(cue retort: you still are...)

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Both of these can be, and probably are, true. Running away to Syria aged 15 took resourcefulness and determination. But she can still also be not fully grown up in her decision-making and 'moral compass' at the same time, and prone to seeing things in the very black and white 'I know it all' way that teenagers tend to see things.

Fuck me, I joined the Forces at 16!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I was a fucking idiot when I was 18.

(cue retort: you still are...)

Don't be a dick.

 

[Treacle Toes]

From the age of 18, she's an adult in the eyes of UK law.

Yeah not disputing that of course...just pointing out that the law saying you are an adult isn't all there is to the assessment of adulthood and capacity.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Don't be a dick.

It's a serious enough point. The law might say that you're an adult at 18, but there is nothing magic about that number and developmentally, we are all still becoming ourselves at that point, still somewhere in that fuzzy area between childhood and adulthood.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Fuck me, I joined the Forces at 16!

...and many would call that decision absolute folly is the point.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

...and many would call that decision absolute folly is the point.

But..the point is, I was absolutely sure of that decision!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

There were definite external factors at play as to why this 15 girl travelled to join Daesh.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But..the point is, I was absolutely sure of that decision!

tbf teenagers are often very sure about many things, no? That's part of their problem.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Just pondering the idea that this young woman was somehow unusually resourceful at 15...I don't think that's true at all tbh. It depends on the life you've lived surely. Her generation have had access to so much information and could do most of the arrangements online for example.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

tbf teenagers are often very sure about many things, no? That's part of their problem.

And you were an idiot at 18. Nuff said.

 

[Treacle Toes]

But..the point is, I was absolutely sure of that decision!

Yeah I know.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Just pondering the idea that this young woman was somehow unusually resourceful at 15...I don't think that's true at all tbh. It depends on the life you've lived surely. Her generation have had access to so much information and could do most of the arrangements online for example.

I think many 15 year olds are pretty capable of many things. Plenty around that age run away from home and end up in adventures/scrapes of various kinds.

 

[Treacle Toes]

And you were an idiot at 18. Nuff said.

This isn't fair IMO. I was really responsible and conscientious as a teen but I still managed to make fucking immature and reckless decisions. I just didn't have enough life experience to make better ones in those cases despite all of the other stuff I was getting 'right'.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I think many 15 year olds are pretty capable of many things. Plenty around that age run away from home and end up in adventures/scrapes of various kinds.

Well yeah of course. I was commenting on the whole planning/travel/info/connections aspect. It's at their fingertips now and was for them at 15 years ago.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I think many 15 year olds are pretty capable of many things. Plenty around that age run away from home and end up in adventures/scrapes of various kinds.

Leaving your country of birth at 15 to join Daesh is far from an "adventure/scrape"

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Leaving your country of birth at 15 to join Daesh is far from an "adventure/scrape"

I'll bet it felt like an adventure at the time.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

This isn't fair IMO. I was really responsible and conscientious as a teen but I still managed to make fucking immature and reckless decisions. I just didn't have enough life experience to make better ones in those cases despite all of the other stuff I was getting 'right'.

They admitted that themselves up thread