British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[littlebabyjesus]

frankly dont care fuck the lot of them a community that breeds jihadists doesnt deserve any trust

We are the community that breeds jihadists. Condemn those who join up with Isis by all means (and I certainly do), but not whole communities of people the vast majority of whom are horrified by all this.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Jihadist breeding communities aye? I don't think he means communities in the imaginary liberal sense.


Still trying to find my gay community

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Jihadist breeding communities aye? I don't think he means communities in the imaginary liberal sense.


Still trying to find my gay community

although to be fair in this particular case, the girl really did join a jihadist breeding community.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I still don't really understand how we've got to 12 pages on this. If she makes it to the consulate, she comes back and probably goes through hell. If she doesn't, she's in a refugee camp and will probably go through hell.

What's to discuss?

FWIW I think if there's anything worth discussing here is why kids are growing up in Britain and thinking yeah maybe I'll go join IS...

 

[ferrelhadley]

There is a child about to be born in severely distressed conditions in a camp in Syria. While this is tragically very common in this case it is a UK citizen thus we have responsibilities to it. The mothers behaviour not withstanding the child should be, by a great distance, the primary concern here.
As for those asking "what crime has she committed", if she had fucked off to Ibiza for a couple of years of shagging and pilling up but lost two children from negligence there would not be much of a debate on investigating her for criminal behaviour in terms of child negligence and possible fitness to remain the guardian of the newly born soon to arrive.
The grandparents seem the most likely guardians for the child however her fitness should be a matter for Tower Hamlets child services and the family courts.
The governments position and those seeking to point score here on the back of these circumstances look to be in poor moral taste.

 

[tim]

At best she will require a lot of surveillance her moral code is different to the UK norm.
Warcrimes slavery fine if they are the Kuffar.

Can't see her keeping her kid because nobody first suicide vest Turing up at preschool.

Is there a British moral code we are supposed to adhere to? Ifso I've missed it. I come from a state that has been perpetually at was somewhere or other for well over a century, in whose name countless attrocities that far outstrip those of Daesh, admittedly probably only because we have the ability to slaughter en-masse which they don't. And our client state Saudi Arabia combines our hi-technical slaughtering skills with the Grand Guginol theatricality of Daesh.

 

[tim]

Even if she does want to come back she has to find her way to somewhere with UK consular assistance. She is in a refugee camp in a failed state, not sure any civil servant will be rushing out with some forms to fill in.

Let's hope someone goes out and helps her, then.

 

[Spymaster]

Let's hope someone goes out and helps her, then.

Not going to happen by the looks of it.

But Mr Wallace said any Britons who had gone to Syria to engage or support terrorist activities should be prepared to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted if they came back to the UK.

He said there was no consular assistance in Syria and insisted he would not attempt to rescue Ms Begum.

"I'm not putting at risk British people's lives to go and look for terrorists or former terrorists in a failed state," he told the BBC.

 

[mojo pixy]

FWIW I think if there's anything worth discussing here is why kids are growing up in Britain and thinking yeah maybe I'll go join IS...

That really is the question. One of those really important ones that always gets lost under shouting.

 

[SpackleFrog]

That really is the question. One of those really important ones that always gets lost under shouting.

As I said earlier, kids that run away at 15 are running from something.

 

[weepiper]

It was that almost as much as being unfazed by heads in bins.
"Had two die on me, let's immediately produce another baby jihadist..."

Her two children died within the last three months. She is nine months pregnant now. Do the maths.

 

[Spymaster]

FWIW I think if there's anything worth discussing here is why kids are growing up in Britain and thinking yeah maybe I'll go join IS...

There isn't going to be one answer. This one did it to "escape an unhappy home life" apparently.

 

[gentlegreen]

Her two children died within the last three months. She is nine months pregnant now. Do the maths.

A veritable jihadist factory.
I hope this child gets taken into care.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

A veritable jihadist factory.
I hope this child gets taken into care.

Please don't use "factory " in this context, especially if the men involved aren't also "factories" ffs.

 

[SpackleFrog]

A veritable jihadist factory.
I hope this child gets taken into care.

Bit unpleasant there.

 

[Argonia]

She's taking the piss, heading off to join IS and then wanting to come back here. Unbelievable.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm not intending to be gender-specific, but males lack the facilities.
She's clearly unfit to be looking after a child unsupervised.

 

[weepiper]

I'm not intending to be gender-specific, but males lack the facilities.
She's clearly unfit to be looking after a child unsupervised.

She didn't fucking make the babies by herself, did she?

 

[tim]

Not going to happen by the looks of it.

This is Benn Wallace a middle-aged Tory government Minister talking hard about a girl young enough to be his daughter. I have more sympathy for a fifteen year old girl who runs away to join Daesh. At least, I assume she is driven by idealism.

Ben Wallace stressed Begum, who left east London four years ago as a 15-year-old schoolgirl, had a right as a UK citizen to come back, but said there were “consequences” of travelling to Syria to support the “horrendous” Islamic State terror organisation.

He'll face no Consequences" for his much more cynical support of the Saudi State terror organisation. And as for our cynical shit of a mayor

. London Mayor Sadiq Khan suggested that Begum, who is now 19, should not be allowed back into Britain if the security services believe that she poses a risk to national security or of committing terrorist offences.

Who really trusts the statements of our security services. And since when do we sentence before the trial, anyway.

Redirect Notice

 

[tim]

A veritable jihadist factory.
I hope this child gets taken into care.

Vile cruel sexist shit.

 

[LDC]

Think the British State has got it about right now. Leave her where she is and make no effort to help her. Should she somehow end up getting to an embassy or somewhere where something more active needs to be done then worry about it then. Hopefully at some point between the situation now and the possible future situation above the problem will be resolved somehow.

 

[gentlegreen]

Vile cruel sexist shit.

Every sperm is sacred ?

 

[tim]

I'm not intending to be gender-specific, but males lack the facilities.
She's clearly unfit to be looking after a child unsupervised.

If she comes back she won't be living in the middle of a war.

 

[donkyboy]

ISIS wondering where insane medieval fantasy project went wrong

ISIS fighter Ahmed Al-Jazrawi said: “Looking back, I think antagonising absolutely everyone in the world probably wasn’t the smartest move.

“The strong possibility of being killed by a US drone or dozens of other enemies definitely created recruitment challenges that don’t exist for, say, Asda.
“We also failed to sell the idea of living in a backward religious dictatorship. I think that’s a bit of a turn-off for people who don’t like being flogged all the time.”

Fellow jihadi Abdullah Mohammed said: “With hindsight, setting up a global Islamic state was overambitious. We should have started somewhere smaller, like Wales.

“I’d assumed we’d trigger the apocalypse and God would sort everything out, but it turns out ancient prophecies aren’t very reliable.”

 

[Spymaster]

Who really trusts the statements of our security services.

When it comes to IS and their cronies I'll take the security services advice, no problem.

 

[LDC]

That really is the question. One of those really important ones that always gets lost under shouting.

It's been asked plenty and there's been loads of research done and stuff written about it.

 

[tim]

Every sperm is sacred ?

Every human life is sacred. This girl and her child have a right to turn things around

 

[mojo pixy]

It's been asked plenty and there's been loads of research done and stuff written about it.

I've spent time reading around it myself, but beyond academia it really does get lost under shouting. It's not a question ''society at large'' seems ready to take seriously.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It's been asked plenty and there's been loads of research done and stuff written about it.

I think the post you responded to doesn't necessarily suggest otherwise, e.g. If I said "Labour's own history of right wing bullshit often gets lost in these discussions" I wouldn't be wrong despite the rich history of opposition to they cunts

 

[likesfish]

Every human life is sacred. This girl and her child have a right to turn things around

she had no problem with other women being raped to death so the fact she's being fed in a refugee camp rather than left to die in a ditch