Brexit Day - will you be celebrating, mourning or not bothered?

[marty21]

Now we need to get Martiex done!

 

[Supine]

I’m generally feeling glad it’s done.

11pm. Almost there

 

[Proper Tidy]

Perhaps don't try and lecture someone who works for the Berlin LGBT+ center, what their quality of life is like as a gay man living in Germany.

Perhaps Berlin isn't representative of Germany as a whole let alone the EU, I dunno, I'm not a gay man working for an LGBT org so what do I know

 

[not-bono-ever]

All these tools waving flags ( of any colour) needs to be given a show trial immediately

 

[The39thStep]

Perhaps don't try and lecture someone who works for the Berlin LGBT+ center, what their quality of life is like as a gay man living in Germany.

Perhaps dont be so pompous Reno? Can't for the life of me see how my post was lecturing anyone I was merely pointing you to the org that compiled the report.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Perhaps don't try and lecture someone who works for the Berlin LGBT+ center, what their quality of life is like as a gay man living in Germany.

I'm sorry but you can't argue with facts. Germany is 2.5 %. The UK is 39.4 %. You might as well be living in Tehran.

 

[danny la rouge]

Remember to have your old burgundy passports out of a drawer and on the coffee table or similar surface at 11pm or they won’t turn blue.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I’m generally feeling glad it’s done.

Nothing is done. This is just the start.

 

[Pickman's model]

but it is not

still got years and years of the shit to go

it is not the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning

 

[The39thStep]

Stunning contribution by The Wurzels celebrating Britain joining the EU in 1973

 

[Pickman's model]

One soundbite in the mornings media is we are now in the departure lounge.

Hope it’s one of those luxury ones, well stocked with sandwiches, cakes, beer and coffee etc.

but there is no aeroplane

or if there is it is a 737-800 max

 

[The39thStep]

I’m generally feeling glad it’s done.

I think many people are what ever they are. Dragged on far too long, made Labour , Lib dems and some Tories look like they didnt respect democracy and emboldened Johnson into getting elected as he'd get Brexit done.

 

[Poot]

It's nothing like over.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's nothing like over.

quite so. if people wanted this done with they should have voted for parties suggesting a second referendum or the withdrawal of article 50.

 

[Poot]

quite so. if people wanted this done with they should have voted for parties suggesting a second referendum or the withdrawal of article 50.

That wasn't really what I meant. We are entering a transition period. Nothing has really changed until things start changing. This Brexit Day bollocks is just Tory propaganda which seems destined to create more division. Which seems to be working.

 

[Shechemite]

but there is no aeroplane

or if there is it is a 737-800 max

With added coronavirus

 

[Pickman's model]

That wasn't really what I meant. We are entering a transition period. Nothing has really changed until things start changing. This Brexit Day bollocks is just Tory propaganda which seems destined to create more division. Which seems to be working.

a transition period to years and years of boredom

 

[Shechemite]

So why is it that as a gay man who has moved from London to Berlin (in part because of Brexit) I feel so much safer here than I did there ? Despite a rise in homophobic attacks in Germany, recorded LGBT+ hate crimes in Berlin are in the hundreds, while in London they are in the thousands. Even accounting for that Berlin has half the population of London that's a massive difference.

It is true that the UK is ahead of Germany in terms of legislation, which does figure into those statistics but just waving a statistic around without knowing how to interpret it doesn't really cut it.

Berlin sees sharp increase in homophobic attacks – DW – 12/02/2019

Attacks against homosexual and transgender people in the German capital are up compared with 2018 figures, according to latest figures. The city's police chief has warned of an "increased polarization of society."

www.dw.com

Call for law change over increase in homophobic hate crimes in London

Hate attacks rise by 55% over five years in the capital, prompting calls for a change in the law.

www.bbc.com

Good thing that there’s no far right violence/ electoral gains in Germany I guess

 

[AmateurAgitator]

11pm. Almost there

But it ain't done til the transition period is over surely?

 

[Poot]

But it ain't done til the transition period is over surely?

Yep. And wouldn't it be convenient if that end-date were somewhat elastic?

 

[Yossarian]

it is not the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

But it ain't done til the transition period is over surely?

It'll never 'be done'.

Oh goody, we can 'strike our own trade deals'.

In the same way we have an 'independent nuclear threat'.

If the EU don't like an aspect of a trade deal we strike, they withhold / withdraw their trade deal.

 

[Idris2002]

 

[Pickman's model]

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i swear his head has shrunk, or his body's swollen.

 

[Struwwelpeter]

I am mourning my loss of rights and freedoms and bracing myself for some really illiberal policies in 2021. So, when are all those celebrating the end of the "dictatorship from Brussels" going to wake up to the "dictatorship from Mar el Lago"? I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Reno]

Good thing that there’s no far right violence/ electoral gains in Germany I guess

Whats your point ?

 

[Reno]

Perhaps dont be so pompous Reno? Can't for the life of me see how my post was lecturing anyone I was merely pointing you to the org that compiled the report.

Having moved to London as a queer kid in the 80s, because the UK struck me as far more tolerant of minorities, I left London soon after Brexit because the small minded insularity on display is not the country where I once felt welcome. So it is ironic that on a thread about Brexit you are trying to put me right that as a queer immigrant I would have been better off staying in the UK by waving a statistic around. Apparently I upended my entire life for nothing after 33 years in the UK, while you are sitting on your arse, making a point on an discussion board.

 

[The39thStep]

Having moved to London as a queer kid in the 80s, because the UK struck me as far more tolerant of minorities, I left London soon after Brexit because the small minded insularity on display is not the country where I once felt welcome. So it is ironic that on a thread about Brexit you are trying to put me right that as a queer immigrant I would have been better off staying in the UK by waving a statistic around. Apparently I upended my entire life for nothing after 33 years in the UK, while you are sitting on your arse, making a point on an discussion board.

Well we are both sitting on our arses making points on a discussion board . If you feel safer in a Germany I’m pleased for you however if you have a beef with the German report challenge the authors of it . Really no wish to fall out with you personally over this .

 

[The39thStep]

It'll never 'be done'.

Oh goody, we can 'strike our own trade deals'.

In the same way we have an 'independent nuclear threat'.

If the EU don't like an aspect of a trade deal we strike, they withhold / withdraw their trade deal.

Is this true? If so it doesn’t put the cuddly EU in a good light does it?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is this true? If so it doesn’t put the cuddly EU in a good light does it?

of course it's true. How could it not be?