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Boris Johnson tests positive for Covid-19

Whilst I understand that many on these boards feel anguish at those wishing Johnson ill. And I myself have wished death on many, including some Tories. The way their party and a majority of it’s members are now being seen as hypocrites and liars regarding their false support for the NHS and care services by clapping and singing the praises for something they want privatised.
You only have to read MrSki, thread in the Health forum to realise how and why people may wish ill on those responsible for the destruction and selling off of health services and the shambles they have become in many parts of the UK.

ETA: I am currently ramped up on steroids and wolfing on Soreen and coffee. No doubt I will be bolloxed in the morning.
 
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really, it's 50 50?

50/50 chance of surviving is the figure widely reported, but as I skim-read the last dozen or so pages, someone mentioned that was the recovery rate for of all C-19 intensive care unit cases, whereas recovery is even less for those that end-up on ventilators, and they seem correct.

Probably the best published information we have so far is from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Center (ICNARC) in the UK. Of 165 patients admitted to ICUs, 79 (48%) died. Of the 98 patients who received advanced respiratory support—defined as invasive ventilation, BPAP or CPAP via endotracheal tube, or tracheostomy, or extracorporeal respiratory support—66% died.

Compare that to the 36% mortality rate of non-COVID patients receiving advanced respiratory support reported to ICNARC from 2017 to 2019.


And, for a lot that survive, their future could be fairly grim.

For those who manage to defeat the virus and come off ventilators, the really hard part begins. Many will suffer long-term physical, mental and emotional issues, according to a staggering body of medical and scientific studies. Even a year after leaving the intensive care unit, many people experience post-traumatic stress disorder, Alzheimer’s-like cognitive deficits, depression, lost jobs and problems with daily activities such as bathing and eating.


Assuming reports are true, he has received oxygen, but hasn't [yet] been put on invasive ventilation.
 
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50/50 chance of surviving is the figure widely reported, but as I skim-read the last dozen or so pages, someone mentioned that was the recovery rate for of all C-19 intensive care unit cases, whereas recovery is even less for those that end-up on ventilators, and they seem correct.



And, for a lot that survive, their future could be fairly grim.



Assuming reports are true, he has received oxygen, but hasn't [yet] been put on a ventilator.
The reports that he hasn't been put on a ventilator are coming from downing Street alongside the stuff about "precautionary" intensive care. I suspect complete bullshit but the media are not questioning it.
 
50/50 chance of surviving is the figure widely reported, but as I skim-read the last dozen or so pages, someone mentioned that was the recovery rate for of all C-19 intensive care unit cases, whereas recovery is even less for those that end-up on ventilators, and they seem correct.



And, for a lot that survive, their future could be fairly grim.



Assuming reports are true, he has received oxygen, but hasn't [yet] been put on invasive ventilation.

how can we know what happens to people a year after they’ve recovered from a virus discovered a few months ago?
 
Cummings said if old people had to die tough titty. In words as harsh as that. Johnson went along with it.

And his Uncle dies, was it yesterday as this virus is no respecter of class for sure. In fact the more people you seem to know and meet and greet the higher the chance you have of getting it. Survival of the fittest libertarian types are having a rude wake-up call socioeconomically speaking.

If Johnson survives this he may have some Damascene conversion to be a better human being as he staggers around in his post-Virus world lucky to be alive saved by the NHS. Well we have to dream in these dark times , don't we ?
 
For those that want a doctor explains with your breakfast....
for that want to know how it ends.....

look away now. (15.30 onwards gets most interesting) The short summary is that you drown in your own fluids - an absolutely horrible way to die. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy and Johnson doesn't qualify.

 
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If Johnson survives this he may have some Damascene conversion to be a better human being as he staggers around in his post-Virus world lucky to be alive saved by the NHS. Well we have to dream in these dark times , don't we ?
I imagine any conversion would be akin to when Homer Simpson had an epiphany and became a St Francis copycat. Fictional and for a laugh.
 
And then this morning on the BBC you get IDS followed by Gove, praising Johnson for his tenacity and my first thoughts were if only Hunt were here.
It would look like Brutus, Cassius and Albinus waiting to strike Caesar down.

Hunt wouldn't have won the election, we'd have a hung parliament with Dianne Abbott leading the daily press conferences. :thumbs:
 
His last (selfless) act was to change attitudes and behaviours and thus lives. Teetotalling militant veggies like Charles and Jezza can take some grim satisfaction in their lifestyle choices to date - they seem to have been spared this grim reaping.
 
I can't shake the idea that not only was he cavalier about it, he got the virus basically on purpose for show, like getting 'stuck' on the zip line, because he figured it'd somehow look good and he'd be fine.

Why apart from Bolsanaro has almost everyone else in high office managed to avoid it?
 
I can't shake the idea that not only was he cavalier about it, he got the virus basically on purpose for show, like getting 'stuck' on the zip line, because he figured it'd somehow look good and he'd be fine.

Why apart from Bolsanaro has almost everyone else in high office managed to avoid it?

Clearly he's extremely narcissistic and he thought he'd be fine. He's not in touch with reality and he thinks he can do what he likes, and to an extent he's been able to do that. I think it must have been a real shock when he realised this was something he couldn't lie and bluff his way through - the intrusion of a reality he couldn't control - but his initial response was his usual one of a denial of reality in favour of his own fantasy.
 
I can't shake the idea that not only was he cavalier about it, he got the virus basically on purpose for show, like getting 'stuck' on the zip line, because he figured it'd somehow look good and he'd be fine.

Why apart from Bolsanaro has almost everyone else in high office managed to avoid it?

Plenty of doctors I know had that kind of attitude until the last few weeks though as well. What's the fuss, I'm not going to take any precautions, I just want it now then I'll be fine, etc etc so he's hardly unique if he was cavalier about getting it.

Some people are slightly losing the plot and veering into conspiracy theory with this. He's not that ill, he's dead already, it's all a show, etc.
 
I also think a few weeks ago there wasn't the same awareness then that relatively young people with no known underlying health condition were at such risk. We know there's the risk of viral load and it might be that some people who've died had underlying conditions that were undiagnosed but at the moment we don't really know why some people who don't fall into the known vulnerable categories are more at risk than others.
 
I can't shake the idea that not only was he cavalier about it, he got the virus basically on purpose for show, like getting 'stuck' on the zip line, because he figured it'd somehow look good and he'd be fine.

Why apart from Bolsanaro has almost everyone else in high office managed to avoid it?

Hmm, not sure that's entirely true depending on the definition of 'high office' of course. It seemed almost trendy for your health minister to get it when this first started.

Nadine Dorries, Health Minister, was the first to get it here. Showing her first symptoms on the day she had a meeting with Johnson...

 
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