Bloody Sunday inquiry - coming soon
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grit
an ugly force for good
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
By "Brits" you mean?
not-bono-ever
meh
Whar the deal with McGuiness ? report seems to suggest that he may have had a gun and was in the area etc
This hardly confirms or refutes the rumour that he was the marksman on the grassy knoll bit that has been banging around for years
Political expediency , now that hes a serving politician ?
This hardly confirms or refutes the rumour that he was the marksman on the grassy knoll bit that has been banging around for years
Political expediency , now that hes a serving politician ?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
wallowing in victimhood i see.Yup you owe us an apology thats for sure, fucking two chances of it ever happening though
mattie
missing in inaction
Fuck's sake.
I can't think of a many 'Brits' (at least none I associate with) who supports the paras in this in any way, or who would say that their actions represented the desires of the 'Brits'.
Which is what this report, at full long last, states unequivocally. It's a disgrace the event happened, and it's as much of a disgrace that it was never treated with the severity it clearly warranted.
The idea that it's 'Brits' (God, what a twat term to use) apologising to Irish is idiotic. It's the government apologising for turning its own troops on its own citizens, who in any case were entirely innocent, and to cap it all off simply ignoring any consequences and sticking two fingers up at the bereaved. The complete abuse of trust and responsibility and wilful disregard of life, coupled with the temerity to actually blame the victims, is simply appaling. This report at least goes some way to addressing the latter part, sadly not the first.
I can't think of a many 'Brits' (at least none I associate with) who supports the paras in this in any way, or who would say that their actions represented the desires of the 'Brits'.
Which is what this report, at full long last, states unequivocally. It's a disgrace the event happened, and it's as much of a disgrace that it was never treated with the severity it clearly warranted.
The idea that it's 'Brits' (God, what a twat term to use) apologising to Irish is idiotic. It's the government apologising for turning its own troops on its own citizens, who in any case were entirely innocent, and to cap it all off simply ignoring any consequences and sticking two fingers up at the bereaved. The complete abuse of trust and responsibility and wilful disregard of life, coupled with the temerity to actually blame the victims, is simply appaling. This report at least goes some way to addressing the latter part, sadly not the first.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
A few bad apples, lost control in the heat of the moment etc.
I suppose it's about as critical as could be politically expected. Certainly better than any previous official statement.
I suppose it's about as critical as could be politically expected. Certainly better than any previous official statement.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
It happened on a Sunday afternoon
On a lovely bright crisp winters afternoon
On a perfect day for walking.
There was gunshots, stones and bullets
On a lovely bright crisp winters afternoon
There was chaos, panic and death,
Disbelief upon the faces
Fear and bewilderment
The seconds seemed so long
They're firing bullets at us
It was not supposed to be like this
Awesome to behold
And then our minds locked shut
And then our minds locked shut
And then our minds locked shut
And then our minds locked shut
And there remains ..
Jackie Duddy and Willie Nash,
Gerry Donaghy, Willy McKinney,
Gerard McKinney and Jim Wray
Johnny Johnston, Barney McGuigan,
Paddy Doherty, Kevin McIlhenny
John Young, Mickey Kelly,
Hugh Gilmore, Micheal McDaid
Let us remember ..
It happened on a Sunday afternoon
On a lovely bright crisp winters afternoon
On a perfect day for walking.
On a lovely bright crisp winters afternoon
On a perfect day for walking.
There was gunshots, stones and bullets
On a lovely bright crisp winters afternoon
There was chaos, panic and death,
Disbelief upon the faces
Fear and bewilderment
The seconds seemed so long
They're firing bullets at us
It was not supposed to be like this
Awesome to behold
And then our minds locked shut
And then our minds locked shut
And then our minds locked shut
And then our minds locked shut
And there remains ..
Jackie Duddy and Willie Nash,
Gerry Donaghy, Willy McKinney,
Gerard McKinney and Jim Wray
Johnny Johnston, Barney McGuigan,
Paddy Doherty, Kevin McIlhenny
John Young, Mickey Kelly,
Hugh Gilmore, Micheal McDaid
Let us remember ..
It happened on a Sunday afternoon
On a lovely bright crisp winters afternoon
On a perfect day for walking.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
I have some kind of culpability when I was 3 at the time? What apology do I owe?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The Sunday roast smelled good as I sat down to the table
I could hear my mother singing in the kitchen loud and clear
I joked my son about his latest girl and he turned scarlet red
The way that young boys do when they’re only seventeen
And it was just an ordinary Sunday,
a day of rest and worship for all the family
Just an ordinary Sunday and when that day was done
there was a stone where my heart used to be
Mum had gone out visiting and I stayed home to have a rest
my boy had gone down town with friends to watch the march for peace
Then the afternoon was shattered by the sound of distant firing
and I heard footsteps running to my door and then they ceased
And it was just an ordinary Sunday,
a day of rest and worship for all the family
Just an ordinary Sunday and when that day was done
there was a stone where my heart used to be
I went down to the morgue and found that 12 had been accounted for
But there was just one left that had to be identified
And there on a cold grey table on his wrist an unfilled label
Lay flesh of my flesh with a bullet in his side
And it was just an ordinary Sunday,
a day of rest and worship for all the family
Just an ordinary Sunday and when that day was done
there was a stone where my heart used to be
I could hear my mother singing in the kitchen loud and clear
I joked my son about his latest girl and he turned scarlet red
The way that young boys do when they’re only seventeen
And it was just an ordinary Sunday,
a day of rest and worship for all the family
Just an ordinary Sunday and when that day was done
there was a stone where my heart used to be
Mum had gone out visiting and I stayed home to have a rest
my boy had gone down town with friends to watch the march for peace
Then the afternoon was shattered by the sound of distant firing
and I heard footsteps running to my door and then they ceased
And it was just an ordinary Sunday,
a day of rest and worship for all the family
Just an ordinary Sunday and when that day was done
there was a stone where my heart used to be
I went down to the morgue and found that 12 had been accounted for
But there was just one left that had to be identified
And there on a cold grey table on his wrist an unfilled label
Lay flesh of my flesh with a bullet in his side
And it was just an ordinary Sunday,
a day of rest and worship for all the family
Just an ordinary Sunday and when that day was done
there was a stone where my heart used to be
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
funding west britons like terry wogan through the licence fee
were you out on the bloody sunday marches?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Yes on numerous marches, what's your point?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
just asking a question, no need to get all defensive
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
You don't merely ask pickmans, you're not daft.
London 93 and 94, up here on a few aswell.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Any chance of further explaining who the term "Brits" covers?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Excellent song
grit
an ugly force for good
British people, I assumed the abbreviation would have been obvious?
Deareg
Well-Known Member
in the 6 counties it only refers to soldiers
grit
an ugly force for good
The definition is not that closed, I've used it in the north and its context has never been misunderstood. Its really splitting hairs its a common term used to talk about the UK (outside of it).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
To be frank, it's pretty fucking meaningless nearly 40 years and several cover-ups after the event.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Did they really need to spend £100million just to apologise?Its not like there are going to be any paras convicted now is it.And some of them by all accounts
deserve it.
I meant the paras who fired and lied deserve to be prosecuted.
deserve it.
I meant the paras who fired and lied deserve to be prosecuted.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Some of whom deserve what?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
The report goes further then I expected.
However the likes Cameron saying they are 'shocked' I find hard to take - the report merely states in black and white what everyone knew anyway.
Its already being spun as a 'loss of control/discipline by the troops' and a 'terrible mistake' - when it was a deliberate action sanctioned from above. At best those who sent the paras in would have preffered slightly less butchery - or a more competent cover up.
Those who gave the orders should shoulder the greatest blame.
However the likes Cameron saying they are 'shocked' I find hard to take - the report merely states in black and white what everyone knew anyway.
Its already being spun as a 'loss of control/discipline by the troops' and a 'terrible mistake' - when it was a deliberate action sanctioned from above. At best those who sent the paras in would have preffered slightly less butchery - or a more competent cover up.
Those who gave the orders should shoulder the greatest blame.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Stick your labels up your arse.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
This is what Free Derry corner used to look like.
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