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Autumn Booster ? 2023 edition [please change vote as you get jagged]

Having a Autumn Booster - 2023 edition

  • No - not qualified

    Votes: 29 25.4%
  • No - not having one

    Votes: 9 7.9%
  • Yes - AstraZenica

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes - Pfizer [any version]

    Votes: 57 50.0%
  • Yes - Moderna [any version]

    Votes: 5 4.4%
  • Yes - Sanofi [any version

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes - other vaccine [please specify]

    Votes: 7 6.1%
  • Yes - still waiting to make / attend appointment / go to walk-up centre

    Votes: 15 13.2%
  • Comedy option

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    114
Unless some significant results come through on the blood test I took recently, I don't qualify.

I do not understand the logic behind that. It seemed pretty clear at the time that the protection offered by the three jabs offered to everyone was not a permanent thing. Are they trying to tell us that Covid isn't as serious as it used to be? I'm not sure that I believe that.
 
Well its always been a numbers game for them, and in terms of the big picture its not as serious as it once was, otherwise we'd never have escaped the cycle of lockdowns.

On a whole population level its not as serious these days because the combination of huge number of vaccinations, prior infections and lots of vulnerable people already being dead has changed the population immunity picture. And although studies showed waning protection as time passes since last vaccine, I dont think I've seen any that show things like 'risk of hospitalisation' going all the way back to where it was before anybody was vaccinated. And theres more than one part of the immune system fighting the virus on different levels, so the fading of one sort of immunity doesnt tell the whole waning story. But some forms of immunity get weak in older people, which is why they feel the need to do a spring booster for certain groups in addition to the autumn vaccinations.

Combine that picture with the fact that age has always been very strongly correlated to covid risk of hospitalisation or death, and the usual cold calculations, and thats why they settled on the current limits. Plus some improvements to treatment options and changes to the virus itself which further reduced the burden on intensive care beds especially.

However this isnt the whole story, because on an individual level some people never stopped being at risk from and dying from covid, and the number of hospitalisations can still place an uncomfortable strain on the NHS. Combine that with other winter NHS pressures and the unknowns about quite how much specific new variants can bust past prior immunity, and there is still room for them to miscalculate, or get nervous and change the rules.

Every time there is a new wave there is some uncertainty about the scale of the implications, every time there is a significant new variant there is educated guesswork going on and risks being taken. Absolute maximum caution has never been on the agenda, not even when the pandemic was new and there was no population immunity and no vaccines. And since the population immunity picture is not what it was when the virus first arrived, authorities are far more willing to gamble these days, especially for people under 65. And its impossible to predict if or when this could really blow up in their face, or doom any particular individual to death. They were a bit nervous about the unknowns with the variant that emerged in recent months, due to the number of mutations and the theoretical implication of those mutations, which is why they brought forwards the timing of this vaccine campaign. As they get more data about this variant, they might change other aspects of the current rules about vaccination, or they might decide to carry on without further broadening of the vaccination campaign or introducing other responses, depending on what the new knowledge does to their numbers game predictions.
 
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Thanks elbows, that's an interesting summary of "their" thought processes about "us" and covid.

Personally, I think they do a similar balancing act for flu vs age vs jags [and a number of other things]
 
For any urban 64 year olds, the cut off point for reaching 65 is next March. I am not 65 until December, but was still eligible for a jab. So I got mine yesterday.
 
Personally, I think they do a similar balancing act for flu vs age vs jags [and a number of other things]
Yeah such forms of thinking are baked into the broader establishment including the medical establishment, the broader orthodoxy.

It happens in other areas too, eg attitudes towards whether mass testing is 'worth the cost'. So we dont have mass routine testing for influenza, instead this country specialised in other, weaker forms of surveillance such as sentinal testing via GPs etc and a big blob of estimation, ;earning to live with laggy and incomplete data.

I wont go on about it further in this thread and its something I kept going on about during the start and height of the pandemic. But broadly speaking the medical establishment end up with such views due to what sort of normal they were previously used to and trained for, a version of 'pragmatism' that is heavily based on resource-constrained systems, costs and priorities. Implications of this are that rarely do we see questions being asked such as 'can we take lessons from Covid and apply them to flu to reduce the number of routine flu deaths every winter?' and instead the focus becomes on normalising a certain level of covid disruption, illness and death. We've been back in a business as usual mode for several years now, even though covid adds additional burden to an already creaky healthcare system.
 
The last booster messed up my Auto Immune Hepatitis and I steered clear of the Spring Vaxx because of this.
Will be seeing my consultant next week and will ask what he thinks would be best. I'm pretty much still cocooning in so far as I can so I probably wont be meeting people over the winter.
I just had my flu jab and it was fine but I'm not having another covid jab, I can't afford a month or more of dizziness, brain fog and lack of focus because I'm self employed. (yes I reported it to yellow card). This happened every other time I had it (I've had 2 or 3 of different brands). I've had covid before. I told the gp and she was ok about it.
 
So pharmacist just said they are getting flu and covid vaccines in on Friday and (as i can't attend on Friday) if they have any left i can get them both on Saturday. I think i class as a carer (though i've had trouble getting jabs for that before as i don't get carer's allowance) and he said i class as having Severe Mental Illness based on my meds also (i don't have the named conditions though)

I'm not anti-vax but feeling really anxious about it this time. I was ill after previous covid vaccines but on leave after Friday so i don't have to worry about missing work.
 
Had an odd time with this one.

Nothing drastic but I was a bit feverish/tired so had an early night. When I shut my eyes it was a bit trippy! Kept having visions of flying over a jungle like Superman or something - gotta be honest, it was ace. :D

Anyhow, all good this morning, bit tired, bit of a sore arm but that's it.
 
Just had a Pfizer jab. Previous two occasions it's caused me no mither. Fingers crossed it's not 3rd time unlucky.









Not that I'm superstitious in any way :rolleyes:
 
Just had the flu jab & covid booster in the same arm. Didn't bother to ask which booster. :oops:
 
I get mine, and my flu vaccination, on Monday. I've not been invited for my pneumonia vaccine yet.
 
Got jagged just before lunchtime. Pfizer this time.

In and out before actual appointment time, very efficient especially since the pharmacy side was also quite busy.
Was also offered a flu jab ...
Up our way they have brought in retired medics and are running the vaccination clinics completely independently of the GP practices. When they heard was an ex-nurse they said they were still looking for people, and was I interested.

No, I'm not. :)
 
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Just back from the pharmacy, Pfizer for me. I have Atrial Fibulation which is in the Greenbook. But it basically seemed I could have made shit up and got one.
 
Just booked mine, but it's not till the middle of November. 60, but T2 diabetes, so I get pushed up the queue.
 
I wasn't given anything. Both jabs then took my pulse. Then I could go. It was first thing & I had had only one coffee. :oops:

I would be contemplating a formal complaint were I you. Not giving you the patient information leaflet is dangerous.
 
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Only "fallout" from my jag on Wednesday has been a sore arm, at and around the injection site, especially to unexpected pressure / touch.
I'm not sleeping too well anyway, so no idea if that aspect has been affected. Although I did quite well last night compared to Wed night..

Sasaferrato - pick your brains ?
Would the muscle being tense make an injection hurt more, or less ?
Especially as I'm quite skinny, I suppose the bone isn't as deep ...

e2a - I got the PI sheet, it's tucked in with all the covid vax info - I was on a trial for the omicron tweak last year.
 
I wasn't given anything. Both jabs then took my pulse. Then I could go. It was first thing & I had had only one coffee. :oops:
If you registered on nhs app, it normally shows it on there (after a few days). I don't qualify this time round but i think some of my previous vaccines they didn't give me a leaflet but i can see them on the app.
 
I've just had a booster but no idea which one. :hmm: I'll ask when I go back for a flu jab (which they haven't got in yet).
 
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