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who said he wasn't allowed to use the recording?


and the tribunal will be less interested in what ahppened at the interview than actually asessing his medical conditions and abilities agains the criteria.
 
Ian Duncan Smith personally, apparently.

I don't quite understand how that works/doesn't work, but he was told very insistently that he would be prosecuted if he attempted to do so
 
Ian Duncan Smith personally, apparently.

I don't quite understand how that works/doesn't work, but he was told very insistently that he would be prosecuted if he attempted to do so

the last thing i saw was posted on one of the threads. one of 'benefit anf work's lawyers said it was legal as long as they provided transcripts to the tribunal in advance, with the other evidence they wanted to use.

the only people whose decision it can be, is the tribunal service itself. the gvt/dwp is one of the parties to proceedings in this issue. they don't get to tell the other party what to do.
 
the last thing i saw was posted on one of the threads. one of 'benefit anf work's lawyers said it was legal as long as they provided transcripts to the tribunal in advance, with the other evidence they wanted to use.

the only people whose decision it can be, is the tribunal service itself. the gvt/dwp is one of the parties to proceedings in this issue. they don't get to tell the other party what to do.

True, if memory serves it's down to the tribunal judge to decide what evidence they wish to hear based on their interpretation of relevent law. On a side note, if he can prove that his actual physical and mental condition differs vastly from the report filed by the assessor (the DWP decision makers are supposed to act on what's in the assessment itself), then that's pretty much all the tribunal will need to know.
 
Your mate needs to discuss this with the benefitsandwork lawyer in the forum. This could be the first time this scenario has happened. You need to get expert legal advice on it, then share it with everyone else, for all our sakes.
 
My mate had an interview a few months back, following which he was found capable of work, which was a bit surprising. When he read the doctors report of their meeting, he discovered that said doc had completely and utterly lied about what he (my mate) had actually said. So, 'I can sometimes walk as far as the local shop, but cant get around it since they changed the layout inside' became 'Can walk to the shop.'

Fortunately my mate had discreetly recorded the meeting, as he feared the doc would bend the truth, altho not to the extent he actually did. So he goes along to an initial appeal and goes to play the recording, but is then told he cant do so, as he hadn't got the docs permission to record, and so the recording - despite showing clearly that the doc had fabricated his notes - cannot be used. He can,apparently, use it for social and domestic purposes, which is nice.

Anyone think of a way he can still sneak the recoding into an appeal? Or the facts contained therein? Cos otherwise its just his word against the docs, of course.
Supply a transcript of the recording and offer them a copy of the recording if they want to verify the transcript. :)
 
My mate had an interview a few months back, following which he was found capable of work, which was a bit surprising. When he read the doctors report of their meeting, he discovered that said doc had completely and utterly lied about what he (my mate) had actually said. So, 'I can sometimes walk as far as the local shop, but cant get around it since they changed the layout inside' became 'Can walk to the shop.'

Fortunately my mate had discreetly recorded the meeting, as he feared the doc would bend the truth, altho not to the extent he actually did. So he goes along to an initial appeal and goes to play the recording, but is then told he cant do so, as he hadn't got the docs permission to record, and so the recording - despite showing clearly that the doc had fabricated his notes - cannot be used. He can,apparently, use it for social and domestic purposes, which is nice.

Anyone think of a way he can still sneak the recoding into an appeal? Or the facts contained therein? Cos otherwise its just his word against the docs, of course.

He's within his rights to transcribe relevant portions and submit them.

Also, check on the law around recordings. I'm fairly sure it's being misrepresented.
 
One of my mate's has been kicked off his benefits by ATOS without even so much as an assessment, I've pointed him to this thread so if anyone could help him or point him to places of help, I'd be grateful.

Wonderful news to get, 2 days before christmas, eh?
 
One of my mate's has been kicked off his benefits by ATOS without even so much as an assessment, I've pointed him to this thread so if anyone could help him or point him to places of help, I'd be grateful.

Wonderful news to get, 2 days before christmas, eh?

:(
 
One of my mate's has been kicked off his benefits by ATOS without even so much as an assessment, I've pointed him to this thread so if anyone could help him or point him to places of help, I'd be grateful.

His course of action depends on the reason why ESA was stopped.
 
I don't know, I've told him to come here and he's registered. I don't really want to say anything as it is not my place to :)
 
I don't know, I've told him to come here and he's registered. I don't really want to say anything as it is not my place to :)
No worries, so long as he knows we're here to help.
There's the rub, this is a big place when you're new to it. @firky, could you PM your friend and tell him which thread he needs to come to?
 
I have done all that, he's just busy with Christmas and what not and cobbling together a computer he's built for his daughter's Christmas present.
 
It was the 22nd of November when ATOS last got in touch with me about my supposedly forthcoming medical assessment and since then I've still heard nothing whatsoever. I'm beginning to wonder whether or not they'll actually re-assess me at all. Is this the fact that PIP has been put back until 2015 or have they figured out that I'm too much of a pain in the arse for them to dick around with?
 
I bumped into an old friend last night who told me his sister is now off benefits completely after she was declared fit for work. She has spondylosis and hasn't worked for years.

Another of my friends rang me. She's been told she must attend an assessment. She's had breast cancer and has spent years having reconstructions that kept going wrong. Now also has a pacemaker. On latest CT have discovered something on her kidneys and now she's awaiting a PETT scan (can't have MRI because of pacemaker) to investigate more lesions found elsewhere. She's told them she has no intention of going and if she loses her money, she loses it. Said she's not up for fighting with them. :(
 
I bumped into an old friend last night who told me his sister is now off benefits completely after she was declared fit for work. She has spondylosis and hasn't worked for years.

Another of my friends rang me. She's been told she must attend an assessment. She's had breast cancer and has spent years having reconstructions that kept going wrong. Now also has a pacemaker. On latest CT have discovered something on her kidneys and now she's awaiting a PETT scan (can't have MRI because of pacemaker) to investigate more lesions found elsewhere. She's told them she has no intention of going and if she loses her money, she loses it. Said she's not up for fighting with them. :(
So sorry to hear that Minnie, I hope she is ok.

:(
 
I bumped into an old friend last night who told me his sister is now off benefits completely after she was declared fit for work. She has spondylosis and hasn't worked for years.

How on earth do they expect her to work with that? Telepathically?

Another of my friends rang me. She's been told she must attend an assessment. She's had breast cancer and has spent years having reconstructions that kept going wrong. Now also has a pacemaker. On latest CT have discovered something on her kidneys and now she's awaiting a PETT scan (can't have MRI because of pacemaker) to investigate more lesions found elsewhere. She's told them she has no intention of going and if she loses her money, she loses it. Said she's not up for fighting with them. :(

Bad move IMO. You can't let the buggers win. Perhaps she could request a home assessment? Or ask that an assessment should wait until after the PETT scan?
 
One of my mate's has been kicked off his benefits by ATOS without even so much as an assessment, I've pointed him to this thread so if anyone could help him or point him to places of help, I'd be grateful.

Wonderful news to get, 2 days before christmas, eh?
I've just seen this, that's just awful! :(
The problem will be that he did, unfortunately, complete an ESA50 without knowing the points system , so didn't get as far as an assessment.
 
I've just got back from a wrag interview thing at the jobcentre.

I didn't realise when the year of contributions run out you have to chase to be income assessed - the starting assumption is that you don't need the money.
 
I've just got back from a wrag interview thing at the jobcentre.

I didn't realise when the year of contributions run out you have to chase to be income assessed - the starting assumption is that you don't need the money.
Yes - that's the shitty thing, they don't automatically move you over, they assume you don't need the money.
 
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