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What zippy appears to have forgotten, is that empathy involves actually listening and understanding people from their own pov. It's a dynamic process that happens between 2 people. Yes, its not about colluding with someone and should be challenging, but it is at heart about understanding what it is like to be that person. It's also supposed to work alongside unconditional positive regard and genuineness/congruence.
 
http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/careers/3373285/atos-it-staff-vote-strike-over-low-pay/
Atos IT staff vote to strike over low pay
London 2012 Olympic Games sponsor's lowest paid staff don't earn minimum wage, union claims
The majority of more than 1,600 workers at Atos IT Services and Atos Healthcare, who are members of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS), have voted to go on strike over pay.
PCS balloted its members earlier this month after 89 percent of IT workers and 95 percent of healthcare staff at the major London 2012 Olympic Games sponsor voted to reject below-inflation pay offers. Most of the members work in the IT services division.​
 
treelover said:
http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/careers/3373285/atos-it-staff-vote-strike-over-low-pay/
Atos IT staff vote to strike over low pay​
London 2012 Olympic Games sponsor's lowest paid staff don't earn minimum wage, union claims​
The majority of more than 1,600 workers at Atos IT Services and Atos Healthcare, who are members of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS), have voted to go on strike over pay.​
PCS balloted its members earlier this month after 89 percent of IT workers and 95 percent of healthcare staff at the major London 2012 Olympic Games sponsor voted to reject below-inflation pay offers. Most of the members work in the IT services division.​
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I'd like to see the disabled walk past their picket lines and stone them but they'd probably assume if you're able to throw a stone, you're able to work
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Could be a very short thread :D
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It'd be a wasp bottle of a thread - let zippy have his fun elsewhere with his friends (if he has any) so that this thread can get back to business. :cool: If he hasn't begun that thread by tonight, I will.
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zippyRN said:
why do you wonder that ? to be honest the package offered by ATOS is no better than the NHS and seems to be rather more confrontational especially if people who are attending for assessment have be hyped up by some of the stuff that is being said by those with political motivations against this ( despite the fact it was NuLabour initiative)
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"Have to be"? "political motivations"?
Interesting set of constructions you're attempting to build. Let's deal with them one at a time:
1) No-one "has to be" hyped up, although they often are purely by the reportage around the WCA. Any interview, examination etc that is premised on establishing facts about you in order to cross-check with facts already submitted (by yourself and by the health professionals providing you with treatment) is going to be confrontational anyway. If you want people to be "Quiet Little Crips", then effectively saying that they're frauds and liars until you've confirmed their "disabled" status IS confrontational. Don't blame clients for reacting, it makes you look like a shill.
2) Find me anyone on this thread who doesn't acknowledge the sheer cuntery of nu Labour in power, or that they set this ball rolling. Your "point" is a straw man. As for personal political motivations, hell yes, I'm politically-motivated! I'm motivated to try to ensure that people, those I know and those I don't, do not get steam-rollered by the WCA like many of us did by the equally violent and poorly-conceived Benefits Integrity Project.

You, you're coming across as one of those idiots who sees everything in terms of "lefties" and "hippies", because you don't have the imagination to think of anything that is beyond your personal prejudices.
 
zippyRN said:
why do you wonder that ? to be honest the package offered by ATOS is no better than the NHS and seems to be rather more confrontational especially if people who are attending for assessment have be hyped up by some of the stuff that is being said by those with political motivations against this ( despite the fact it was NuLabour initiative)
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ATOS offer way more money than the NHS, going by the job ads I see in the back of the RCN Bulletin.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Or Zippys, as I've now decided to call them.
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Come off it - at least faecal matter can be hot composted (or otherwise sterilised) and turned into fertiliser, or you can extract various chemicals from it. I'm not convinced that he's even that useful.
 
don't have the time or inclination to read 44 pages but is there any advice on here for someone (who really isn't me) about to be atos-ed?
 
Boycey said:
don't have the time or inclination to read 44 pages but is there any advice on here for someone (who really isn't me) about to be atos-ed?
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Yes (I'm assuming that you mean that they've filled in and submitted their ESA form, and that "being Atos-ed refers to the Work Capability Assessment interview). Person who isn't Boycey:

Don't go there with a "stiff upper lip" attitude;

Be aware that however complex the answers you give the "healthcare professional" are, they'll be reduced ad aburdam to a tickbox on their computer, so spending 200 words on the minutiae of the muscle spasms in your leg will be reduced to "muscle pain in leg" etc;

If there's still some time to go before the "interview", contact them and insist that you want your interview to be recorded;

Bear in mind that although the logical actions for attending something like this would include loading up on painkillers etc, that they do tend to rely on visual impressions in these assessments, so an interviewee who goes in looking not-too-bothered by their condition will be seen as someone who's not too ill, despite these people supposedly being cognisant of "hidden disability" etc.

I'm sure that others will have much to add.
 
Daily Mirror has picked up on the story of the 32 deaths a week even as a consequence of the ESA medical, though the increasingly right wing on benefits Matthew Wright(The Wright Stuff) is not convinced they are related:rolleyes:
 
Boycey said:
don't have the time or inclination to read 44 pages but is there any advice on here for someone (who really isn't me) about to be atos-ed?
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Yes, plenty. Wade through it, it's well worth it.

Don't be brave. Don't be stoical. Don't make more of an effort with your hygiene, grooming or clothing that you would on a bad day at home (one woman claiming IB partly because of clinical depression scored no points because she wore a scrunchy with a fake flower on it). Have a witness with you. Keep copies of everything. Trust nobody from the DWP or ATOS further than you can throw them, even if they seem nice. Don't let the bastards grind you down.
 
Thanks to all those who've pointed out that I'm not worthless. I do know that, in a general sort of way, but the poster I refuse to name (because he doesn't deserve that much attention), and will henceforth refer to as Voldemort, seems to have no interest in the mental or physical wellbeing of people who are affected by all this.

Scary that someone like that can be a nurse.

Boycey - in addition to what's already been said, please bear in mind that the assessment is NOT about what you can't do - not any more. All they care about is what you CAN do. If I have to go through it again, I might well feel it necessary to point out that I CAN smash their sodding computer monitor with a hammer, and ask them who is going to employ me if I put that on my CV.
 
I read this book some years ago - Erewhon, by Samuel Butler, first published in 1872 -

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/butler-samuel/1872/erewhon/index.htm

“If a man falls into ill health, or catches any disorder, or fails bodily in any way before he is seventy years old, he is tried before a jury of his countrymen, and if convicted is held up to public scorn and sentenced more or less severely as the case may be. ... But if a man forges a cheque, or sets his house on fire, or robs with violence from the person, or does any other such things as are criminal in our own country, he is either taken to a hospital and most carefully tended at the public expense, or if he is in good circumstances, he lets it be known to all his friends that he is suffering from a severe fit of immorality, just as we do when we are ill, and they come and visit him with great solicitude.”

Sound familiar?
 
Boycey said:
don't have the time or inclination to read 44 pages but is there any advice on here for someone (who really isn't me) about to be atos-ed?
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Read the thread.

But in short:

1. Don't trust the arseholes.
2. Ensure your visit is recorded.
3. Don't trust the arseholes.
4. Take a friend who will take notes. It helps if your friend is in the legal or medical profession and you mention it to the ATOS person in passing.
5. Don't trust the arseholes.
6. Make copies of everything. They will lose it.
7. Expect to be denied straight off, despite everything.
8. Don't trust the arseholes.
9. Don't be afraid to appeal.
10. Go in person to the appeal.

Did I mention not trusting the arseholes?
 
Blagsta said:
ATOS offer way more money than the NHS, going by the job ads I see in the back of the RCN Bulletin.
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32 to 34k - already earn that as a Band 5 through shift allowances , also ATOS isn't one of the organisations where people can stay in the NHS pensions scheme
 
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