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audiotech said:
Someone, I've yet to find out who and what medical expertise they have, overruled a letter from my GP requesting a home visit.
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Pursue this, because I don't think that they can overrule your GP in an offhand fashion.
I said home visit, and told them a list of people (neurologist, physio nurse, outreach nurse, and occupational therapist) who said I needed it. I also requested/demanded recording.
Is there anyone else in the loop who can add to your home visit request?
 
yardbird said:
Pursue this, because I don't think that they can overrule your GP in an offhand fashion.
I said home visit, and told them a list of people (neurologist, physio nurse, outreach nurse, and occupational therapist) who said I needed it. I also requested/demanded recording.
Is there anyone else in the loop who can add to your home visit request?
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Too late. I was forced there and Atos took great delight in making note of my attendance on the reply to my complaint. Cover all bases.
 
audiotech said:
A free proof of posting slip will suffice.
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No, it won't. I can tell you exactly what they'll say, because they used the same excuse on me:
"That only proves you posted something to us. We didn't get it, so nerrr". (okay, so the "so nerrr" was poetic licence on my part!)

That's why it's important (even though it cost nearly a quid more) to send anything you post to them by "signed for"/recorded delivery: They have to sign for it, which acknowledges receipt.
 
I was a postal worker, so I know about such things VP. Presently, it will have to suffice for me, with back-up copies of course.
 
Hi everyone.

I hardly know what to say about what everyone's dealing with. In one way it's great that this thread is here for us all, but in another way it's disgraceful that it should be necessary.

I am, as always, still waiting. Way back in January, when I was told that I had 0/15 points, I knew immediately that I had lost 2012. A couple of weeks ago I started seeing a counsellor, not for my depression, but to help me cope with this appeal. The depression will have to wait.
 
culder said:
Hi everyone.

I hardly know what to say about what everyone's dealing with. In one way it's great that this thread is here for us all, but in another way it's disgraceful that it should be necessary.

I am, as always, still waiting. Way back in January, when I was told that I had 0/15 points, I knew immediately that I had lost 2012. A couple of weeks ago I started seeing a counsellor, not for my depression, but to help me cope with this appeal. The depression will have to wait.
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You wonder what the true figures are for people getting ill dealing with this process :(
 
Not even this shower in government can ignore what's happening and the more these tragic cases come to light, the more the public will see they have been told a lie. I've had an inkling (from a source) that more people, given certain circumstances, will be placed into the 'Support Group'. They will still have to go through further assessments over time, but at the present, for a variety of reasons, the WRAG is not really an option for some now. The option that I've had intimated to me, as a "hypothetical" is a choice between the WRAG, with the extra supplement made for work related activity, or the 'Support Group' surviving on £71? There's a lot of ifs here, but, if so, it looks as though the government are getting rattled by some of the horror stories of very ill people being found "fit for work", and the mounting toll of deaths (32 a week of those who are found fit for work) and suicides (103 the last figure I read, directly attributed to decisions made by the DWP). Even this lot in power understand how far they can go, before a reaction from the public, a reaction that may affect their vote. People who work in the DWP, particularly front-line staff IMHO, are increasingly concerned at these reforms. Oh and the appeals system is in log-jam of course,
 
audiotech said:
Not even this shower in government can ignore what's happening and the more these tragic cases come to light, the more the public will see they have been told a lie. I've had an inkling (from a source) that more people, given certain circumstances, will be placed into the 'Support Group'. They will still have to go through further assessments over time, but at the present, for a variety of reasons, the WRAG is not really an option for some now. The option that I've had intimated to me, as a "hypothetical" is a choice between the WRAG, with the extra supplement made for work related activity, or the 'Support Group' surviving on £71? There's a lot of ifs here, but, if so, it looks as though the government are getting rattled by some of the horror stories of very ill people being found "fit for work", and the mounting toll of deaths (32 a week of those who are found fit for work) and suicides (103 the last figure I read, directly attributed to decisions made by the DWP). Even this lot in power understand how far they can go, before a reaction from the public, a reaction that may affect their vote. People who work in the DWP, particularly front-line staff IMHO, are increasingly concerned at these reforms. Oh and the appeals system is in log-jam of course,
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How much have you seen in the papers about Karen Sherlock's death? What about Paul Mickleburgh who's had four kidney transplants and 14 heart attacks? Can't find anything about him except Scottish Newspapers.

I do remember seeing on Twitter that Sonia Poulton was going to bombard editors etc.

Am bombarding editors/producers with Karen Sherlock's story. WAKE UP MEDIA...Sick and disabled should not be stressed to take care of basics
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They're keeping very quiet. :hmm:
 
It's all over the internet.

The media have been reporting some of what's been happening. Karen's and Paul's case they can't ignore, if they are?
 
I don't read newspapers these days, nor watch TV (well, on-line I do, at my choosing). More people should do the same and seek out independent sources that give the facts, not agenda driven dross, or tittle tattle. Hang on, more people are. :D

Edit: The welfare benefit changes going on are being shared on social networks, to people who usually don't go to campaigning web-sites necessarily, or maybe they do?
 
Greebo said:
I need another dartboard. :mad:
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Pfft, get one of these

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My sister was the victim in a particularly nasty accident on xmas eve 1998, when a 5 times 'over the limit' driver [who died at the scene] 'rear ended' her car at over 100 mph.

She suffered 2 broken hips, a fractured arm and some deep lacerations to her legs. She will eventually need both hips replacing, but she's too young, so she has to endure constant pain, limited mobility and difficulty both sitting and standing for extended periods. Plus, there's the side effects of being on very strong pain medication, which leaves her feeling nauseous and upsets her digestion, so she attempts to manage her pain on less medication than she needs, which often means she's short tempered.

The independent medical reports at the time stated that she wouldn't be able to continue in her career [nursing] and because of her massively reduced mobility [she walks with a stick and struggles to walk more than about 100 yards without a rest] and pain she'd struggle to find and 'hold down' a job for the rest of her life. Her compensation payout reflected this, but this was 14 years ago and she's never had anything remotely approaching an extravagant lifestyle.

In November 2011 she attended an ATOS medical, despite all the up to date medical evidence she provided regarding her condition, they awarded her ZERO points!

Naturally she appealed and gathered even more evidence from her GP/specialist etc. Every person she talked to about the decision couldn't believe it and found it absurd. Yesterday, her appeal was granted and they awarded her 18 points. Everyone told her this would be the outcome, but the stress and upset of having to go through all this would have been difficult for a reasonably healthy person, never mind someone who is genuinely ill.

So, I've posted this for everyone who is in a similar position. If you are genuinely ill and you believe ATOS have fucked you over, then appeal, it may be extremely stressful until the appeal is sorted, just try and hang on in there. All my family told her not to worry, that this would be the result. It's all the people out there who don't have friends and family to support them that I genuinely feel sorry for, I dread to think what could've happened to my sister if she'd have been on her own through all this. She was left without any money at all around last xmas when the DWP fucked her JSA claim up.

I don't know how these ATOS swine sleep at night, I really don't. I'm wondering if they are actually some kind of cyborg, 'cos they certainly aren't human.
 
nastybobby said:
In November 2011 she attended an ATOS medical, despite all the up to date medical evidence she provided regarding her condition, they awarded her ZERO points!
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That's disgusting and seems to be becoming the norm

Sorry t ohear about your sister

Why was she on JSA? Is that what they stuck her on when she was awarded nil points?
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Why was she on JSA? Is that what they stuck her on when she was awarded nil points
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Think it was JSA, seem to remember she had to 'sign on' for a while, even though she was appealing ATOS' decision and getting 'sick notes' from her GP. Unless this was what caused the fuck up with the DWP around last xmas and she should have/could have been on a different benefit. Know we all had to chip in to make sure Santa arrived for my niece and nephew, 'cos despite daily phone calls to the DWP there was about a 3 week period between her being kicked off the DLA and getting whatever benefit she got where she had no income at all [apart from her family allowance, I think]. I mean, it wasn't a massive surprise that she was found to be 'fit for work' by ATOS and she 'failed' the medical, that does seem to be the norm whatever the illness/disability now, it was the nil points bit that really riled her, that was just a very sick joke.
 
Almost as a matter of course, they award 0 points. It's wrong, and the appeals process is now groaning under the number of appeals going through, especially as well over half are upheld.

Sorry to hear about your sister, nastybobby, I'm glad she managed to get through the hell of all this.
 
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