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Yes because there s a severe disability premium added to the ESA which they didn't bother stopping at the same time.

When the DWP start paying benefit claimants DWP wages only then should we start doing their fucking jobs for them. Until then they should fuck off and do the jobs they are paid to do and do them fucking correctly. :mad:

What's that recent law about encouraging people to commit suicide? :eek: ;)
Not that recent. Suicide Act 1961 - it's an offence to "aid, abet, counsel or procure" a suicide.

I think it'd be very hard to make a prosecution stick, as I think you need to prove intent. But your point stands - they are treating people they often know to be vulnerable in ways which to any reasonable person would be likely to increase the risk. It's sickening.
 
Not that recent. Suicide Act 1961 - it's an offence to "aid, abet, counsel or procure" a suicide.

I think it'd be very hard to make a prosecution stick, as I think you need to prove intent. But your point stands - they are treating people they often know to be vulnerable in ways which to any reasonable person would be likely to increase the risk. It's sickening.
They have recently had a PIP form and an ESA form from me which they are currently dealing with and it's clearly spelled out in both had the incompetent twats bothered to look. :mad:
 
Yeah, they did it to me when I started work a few years ago and they reckoned it was my not telling them soon enough that had caused them to overpay me. You can appeal but I had nothing to back mine up - didn't even find out about it until I went back on ESA several years later and they started deducting money for the overpayment and penalty :mad:

Fingers crossed this will get sorted quickly for WouldBe. Not like it's unclear who's to blame for this particular fuck up, ffs!
It's happened to me in the past too except they just recover the overpayment then have to pay the overpayment back when the DLA has finally been decided in my favor. There has never been a fucking fine previously. :mad:
 
hello thread

i've managed to speak to bezza on jsa who you suggested could be on esa. i printed some good guidelines i got linked for her. but she's petrified that in some way it might throw doubt on her parenting of her kids (14 & 6). she has them most of the time and they also both spend time with their dads who live locally. *being mum* is what's keeps her going and they have a properly happy home, despite their various struggles with anxiety and physical health issues (which entails quite a lot of contact with "services" in general).

does anyone have any reassuring thoughts? i think some kind of advocate might be helpful? how can you be sure that person is trustworthy when you've had repeated traumatic experiences with so-called-professionals over many years?
 
Just had an invite for my ESA assessment. There's a handy note on the back of the letter that says "If you can't manage to get down 96 steps in the event of a fire without assistance please let us know so we can rearrange the venue." :facepalm:

To make matters even more ridiculous they have just moved the local job center down stairs in a different part of the building. If they had merged the downstairs bit with the job center on the first floor then they could have moved the assessment center onto the ground floor making it far more accessible. :facepalm::(
 
Just had an invite for my ESA assessment. There's a handy note on the back of the letter that says "If you can't manage to get down 96 steps in the event of a fire without assistance please let us know so we can rearrange the venue." :facepalm:

To make matters even more ridiculous they have just moved the local job center down stairs in a different part of the building. If they had merged the downstairs bit with the job center on the first floor then they could have moved the assessment center onto the ground floor making it far more accessible. :facepalm::(
AH, but that would have been sensible...
 
hello thread

i've managed to speak to bezza on jsa who you suggested could be on esa. i printed some good guidelines i got linked for her. but she's petrified that in some way it might throw doubt on her parenting of her kids (14 & 6). she has them most of the time and they also both spend time with their dads who live locally. *being mum* is what's keeps her going and they have a properly happy home, despite their various struggles with anxiety and physical health issues (which entails quite a lot of contact with "services" in general).

does anyone have any reassuring thoughts? i think some kind of advocate might be helpful? how can you be sure that person is trustworthy when you've had repeated traumatic experiences with so-called-professionals over many years?
You could tell her that parents with all sorts of medical conditions, mental and physical, use ESA benefits. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence about things the DWP have done that are pretty terrible, but personally I'm unaware of it being used to punishment parents for being unwell.
 
My GP has faxed a letter to Maximus stating I need a home visit for my ESA assessment. Maximus have said that when they receive the fax they will look at it and decide whether I can actually have a home visit or not. :mad:

If I have to go for a f2f assessment I might have to 'accidentally' take a double dose of laxatives before hand. :eek: :)
 
My GP has faxed a letter to Maximus stating I need a home visit for my ESA assessment. Maximus have said that when they receive the fax they will look at it and decide whether I can actually have a home visit or not. :mad:

If I have to go for a f2f assessment I might have to 'accidentally' take a double dose of laxatives before hand. :eek: :)
I believe either longdog or yardbird had some excellent suggestions earlier in the thread along those lines :)

If you need to go, you need to go ;)
 
Finally put together a response to the fine letter unfortunately it won't arrive before the dead line

Dear Sir or Madam,
On Friday 7th July I received your letter notifying me that you intended to fine me for failing to notify you of a change in my circumstances. This change in circumstances was a direct result of your own making.

1. It’s not my fault that the DLA department failed to communicate with the ESA department.

2. It’s not my fault that no one at the DWP checked my file as they would have clearly seen that I had the severe disability premium added to my ESA, as a result of being on DLA, and that should have stopped at the same time as my DLA stopped.

3. It’s not my fault that no one at the DWP checked my DWP work psychology report in which the DWP psychologist diagnosed me with memory loss and slow processing speed. Not only should you have the original report on file but also I have submitted copies with my ongoing PIP claim and my ongoing ESA renewal claim.

So by wanting to fine me you appear to have proved that either

a) I am incapable of managing my own affairs. In which case you have also proved that the PIP department are defrauding claimants as this is one of the criteria you can get points for and I was awarded a total of 0 points
Or

b) You have failed to notify claimants of the need to tell you about what you have already done. In which case I suggest you fine yourself £50 for each claimant you have failed to notify (which I suspect is all claimants) and distribute the resulting £100+ million to charities and organisations who help claimants like the CAB, Benefits and work website, workers rights services and any others.

In the last few weeks I have received approx 7 letters from you telling me of an unidentified change in circumstances. Is it required that I inform you of these as well? Do you need notifying of each change separately or will one letter do? Will you be providing prepaid envelopes to all claimants so we can notify you of changes you have made to our benefits? Or is this situation simply preposterous?

4. It’s not my fault that the under qualified incompetent ATOSer who did my PIP assessment couldn’t do her job properly.

5. It’s not my fault that the garbage, extortionately over priced ATOS software didn’t produce a competent report on my assessment.

6. It’s not my fault that the two incompetent DWP decision makers didn’t correctly assess my situation and award me PIP.

Had steps 4-6 been done competently and in a timely manner I would have been awarded PIP and this farcical situation would not have arisen.

7. It’s not my fault that because of the incompetence of the DWP and its outsourced assessments that the tribunals service is over stretched and as a result it’s been over a year since my face to face assessment and I’ve still not had a tribunal yet.

My last job was as a process technician at a large multi national electronics company where it was my job to put in place processes and procedures and to refine these where necessary, to make the business run smoothly, efficiently and economically. If I had put in place the pathetic and dysfunctional processes and procedures that the DWP appear to have in place I would have been sacked except I would have resigned first out of sheer embarrassment.

It’s also a good maxim in business to ‘get it right first time’. If the DWP followed this it would save the DWP millions in not having to do the same work twice. It would save the DoJ millions in not having to do the DWP’s job for them and it would save the NHS millions in not having to sort out the stress and other medical problems brought on by claimants going through the process. If the DWP are going to ignore the reports by their own work psychologists then you might as well make all the work psychologists redundant and save even more money.

When I joined the Army many years ago I did so to protect all the people of this country and in particular those that were most vulnerable and unable to protect themselves. I did not join only for state sponsored terrorists, in the guise of the DWP, to sneak in through the back door and bully, harass, intimidate, assault, push people over the edge into committing suicide and in some cases murder some of the most vulnerable members of society. If you think I’m going to sit idly by while the DWP get away with this belligerent vindictive behaviour then you’re gravely mistaken. This needs to stop and it needs to stop now.

As the saying goes “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” Unfortunately I’m not in a position to issue civil penalties. However I can bring criminal prosecutions to bear. You’ve already had your one free shot when a member of staff at Chesterfield job centre caused me to have a fit and an ambulance was called. Any further such incidents and I will be having the member of staff responsible arrested for assault. Push me too close to the edge and someone will be getting arrested for incitement to commit suicide. Push too far and my family will make sure murder charges are brought. In the mean time I will be actively encouraging any supporting all other claimants to do the same.




Cc: Local MP
Head of DWP
Chancellor of the exchequer
C4 news
Any suggestions as to alterations or who else it should be Cc'd to? :)
 
I like it WouldBe .

It's where you're at right now with these arseholes, you can feel the anxiety and stress in your letter. Whether those heartless bastards will is another matter.

I would however add a sentence in the opening paragraph saying "I wish to appeal against this decision of which I was notified on dd/mm/yyyy" (if you are in the one month time limit that is).

All the best, old saying but don't let the bastards grind you down.
 
I like it WouldBe .

It's where you're at right now with these arseholes, you can feel the anxiety and stress in your letter. Whether those heartless bastards will is another matter.
Hopefully C4 will considering they did a piece a while back about the number of claimants who have died going through the DWP process. :)

I would however add a sentence in the opening paragraph saying "I wish to appeal against this decision of which I was notified on dd/mm/yyyy" (if you are in the one month time limit that is).
They have only given me 3 weeks to appeal which is up on Tuesday. :mad:
 
Letter will be posted this afternoon. :)

Not quite worked out what to say in e-mail to MP's yet. Might just cc the DoJ as well and suggest they bill the DWP for tribunals where they overturn the DWP's crappy decision. :)
 
After waiting nearly 4 weeks for a supporting letter from my gp, it finally arrived today.

I paid £30 for the privilege of reading 44 words that just confirm that I am their patient, and lists only some of the illnesses that I have. It then says "He states his condition affects his activity of daily tasks. Attached is a letter from the patient with his information". This is despite me providing them with full guidance notes (not a letter) on what was needed.

It's completely useless as a supporting letter for my appeal.

I feel angry, upset, disgusted and betrayed.

I'm really struggling now - having horrible intrusive thoughts, about violent fantasies.
 
After waiting nearly 4 weeks for a supporting letter from my gp, it finally arrived today.

I paid £30 for the privilege of reading 44 words that just confirm that I am their patient, and lists only some of the illnesses that I have. It then says "He states his condition affects his activity of daily tasks. Attached is a letter from the patient with his information". This is despite me providing them with full guidance notes (not a letter) on what was needed.

It's completely useless as a supporting letter for my appeal.

I feel angry, upset, disgusted and betrayed.

I'm really struggling now - having horrible intrusive thoughts, about violent fantasies.
Sorry and frustrated to hear that fishfinger, that's not helpful at all. Is there another GP that could help you in the practice? Do you have any consultants that could help?

Hope the intrusive thoughts have quietened down, hang in there.
 
Sorry and frustrated to hear that fishfinger, that's not helpful at all. Is there another GP that could help you in the practice? Do you have any consultants that could help?

Hope the intrusive thoughts have quietened down, hang in there.
Thanks, it's actually the practice manager that writes the letters.

She called me 2 weeks ago, to tell me that she would not write anything along the lines of "patient's condition affects his activity of daily tasks" just the non-committal "He states his condition affects his activity of daily tasks". I told her I wasn't happy with that, explaining that I'd specifically seen that particular GP because he knew me. She just repeated what she'd said. I reluctantly agreed, as I'm desperate for any support. She promised that she'd "trawl the records" to see what she could do to help.

As for support from consultants, unfortunately not. It's been years since I've seen a psychiatrist and mental health care in Barking is really overstretched. All they can offer is 6-8 sessions of CBT with trainee/recently qualified psychologists (and I've already had 2 lots of that).

The intrusive thoughts are less frequent but really difficult to cope with (it's taken me over an hour to write this post).
 
Thanks, it's actually the practice manager that writes the letters.

She called me 2 weeks ago, to tell me that she would not write anything along the lines of "patient's condition affects his activity of daily tasks" just the non-committal "He states his condition affects his activity of daily tasks". I told her I wasn't happy with that, explaining that I'd specifically seen that particular GP because he knew me. She just repeated what she'd said. I reluctantly agreed, as I'm desperate for any support. She promised that she'd "trawl the records" to see what she could do to help.

As for support from consultants, unfortunately not. It's been years since I've seen a psychiatrist and mental health care in Barking is really overstretched. All they can offer is 6-8 sessions of CBT with trainee/recently qualified psychologists (and I've already had 2 lots of that).

The intrusive thoughts are less frequent but really difficult to cope with (it's taken me over an hour to write this post).
I 'M sorry to hear the intrusive thoughts are making things so difficult and you're not getting the support you need. Sounds like the CBT has been of limited use to you anyway. Is it worth trying to see a psychiatrist again, even if they're stretched?

I Just want you to remember you are not alone x

Useless practice manager by the sounds of things too.
 
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