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<snip>Also I'm a bit concerned one of the elements has been exaggerated: it says I can't face starting the day regularly. That's not entirely true. If anything I'm a light sleeper prone to insomnia who wakes up, more or less, early. I can't abide lazing in bed and I have never been able to sleep when there's a hint of daylight. It's not a question of facing the day as it is facing certain situations - my dread over this tribunal. Given that I'll be attending on my own this claim is going to look a bit hollow. I think the CAB may have blown what I said a bit too much out of proportion and I don't want to look like I'm trying it on. If that makes any sense.

It does make sense but you're supposed to describe your symptoms on your very worst days though, so don't be worrying about being thought of as trying it on. AFAIC, not being able to face the day is shorthand for not being able to face certain situations anyway & doesn't equate to staying in bed all day.

If you get asked how you managed to attend the tribunal given your symptoms answer honestly - "With extreme difficulty and the stress caused by the mere thought of having to attend is such that, IMO, it has excacerbated my condition significantly" - Or something along those lines.

I've already said but it can't hurt to say it again - All the best, mate. My thoughts are with you - Worrying yourself sick over something like this is no way to spend Christmas. I really hope you get the result you need.
 
Thanks for the help.

It mauy well be that attending will be too much. As I say, it was by fortune that the WCA wasn't difficult. Had the waiting room been stuffed full of strangers and had I been made to wait as long as I was initially told I would have struggled. The actuall assessement itself wasn't so difficult because, having made myself aware of what to expect and to expect very little of any value - and because the assessor was polite and pleasant on a personal level, I was ok with it. When it ended I was hoever very tired. It was also a private room with just the two of us.

As with mental health in general it's what you don't see. Our system and, it seems to me, our society judges people on what they seem to achieve. So if someone attends an appointment, they have zero problems. It doesn't seem to matter how difficult it was for them or how easily it could have gone wrong.
 
I've accompanied a friend twice to an ATOS assessment and then to the first level appeal tribunal.

The first time my friend had an ATOS assessment she went unaccompanied, and was very unhappy with the assessor and how the assessment was carried out. She failed the assessment despite having a progressive condition +

We appealed ie asked them to review the decision. They rejected this and put her onto ESA which also needed an assessment. We appealed the IB review decision to the first level tribunal.

The next ATOS assessment we tried to do things overtly eg recording and taking photographs of the room where the assessment was held. The ATOS assessor went into meltdown and refused to carry on. She'd also gone into meltdown with the previous assessment she'd done. She was also very (unusually, I felt) threatened but at the same time subservient (lols) when I produced a business card to cut short time on introductions etc.

Once we'd been thrown out, I asked the receptionist for details of the complaints procedure which took ages for him to find. At the same time we made it clear that we weren't blaming him, he was just doing his job, ultra polite etc. He was very helpful by way of anecdotal information which wasn't job-costing stuff but helped reassure and made us feel a bit better. I made the point that any delay in the process was the result of how the assessor had behaved and nothing to do with my friend.

When the assessment was rearranged I accompanied my friend again. This time we decided to both record covertly whilst I would overtly take contemporaneous notes to supplement. It was all fine. But bear in mind that this was ESA and that she was already in the appeals process for IB. Anyway, long story short she passed the ESA one so we haven't (yet) needed our recordings and my notes.

The IB tribunal came up and we went prepared with all the documentation from my friend's first unsuccessful assessment and our subsequent request to review the decision with additional supporting medical information. The tribunal was very informal - a bit like the way that employment tribunals were *originally* set up, with the emphasis on informality and accessibility. There was a legally qualified judge and a medical person. No sign of the DWP - apparently they never turn up to these things. They asked me who I was but didn't enquire too closely. They asked my friend some questions - medical ones. She could have referred to all the notes because they were there in front of us but she just answered without doing any of that. The room was just a room with a big table and chairs, it didn't look or feel like a court room. They kept checking our understanding and if we wanted to say more. They emphasised that they were entirely separate from the DWP/ATOS process and were entirely objective. Afterwards we waited in the waiting room for a few minutes before being called back in and told that her appeal had had been successful and that the backdated money should arrive within a few weeks but they couldn't enforce that aspect (it did).

Always get someone to go with you to assessments and never be daunted from appealing. I know I've posted this before but new people join the thread and can't be expected to read every page.
Awesome Wells I'm just bumping this description to give you an idea of my experience of the Tribunal. I went along expecting something like the Employment Tribunal but I was very pleasantly surprised at how different this was. The staff were lovely and supportive and friendly. The two people on the Tribunal treated us with respect and there was no legalese. It wasn't intimidating. This was London, I hope the same applies in your area.

Good luck.
 
The tribunal are acutely aware that your life and some level of financial stability is at stake and they will understand that people will put themselves through great difficulty to attend as a consequence. They may ask whether attending has caused you any difficulty but you being there shouldn't particularly influence the final decision because they're looking at a whole variety of different factors.

You can also tell them you've found attending very difficult and stressful and how preparing to come has negatively impacted on your mental health. That they will be keen to know.

If someone with severe epilepsy attended the tribunal and doesn't have a fit they aren't going to assume the person doesn't actually have epilepsy (the sort of daft stunts ATOS have been known to pull).
 
Hi Everyone

I got a letter today, to say that I had been placed in the support group.
I want to thank you all from the bottom of my heart for helping me.

I want to wish everyone who is waiting to hear best of luck.

The letter does not state how long I am in this group for, so I assume it's a year?

Thanks
 
Awesome Wells I'm just bumping this description to give you an idea of my experience of the Tribunal. I went along expecting something like the Employment Tribunal but I was very pleasantly surprised at how different this was. The staff were lovely and supportive and friendly. The two people on the Tribunal treated us with respect and there was no legalese. It wasn't intimidating. This was London, I hope the same applies in your area.

Good luck.
Thanks. 3 days to go, let's hope it goes ok.

If the weather remains crap I hope they don't mind me turning up in me wellies!
 
Hi Everyone

I got a letter today, to say that I had been placed in the support group.
I want to thank you all from the bottom of my heart for helping me.

I want to wish everyone who is waiting to hear best of luck.

The letter does not state how long I am in this group for, so I assume it's a year?

Thanks

Superb. Nice one :):cool:

I'm not sure about the duration though - Let's hope it's as long as you need though.
 
Superb. Nice one :):cool:

I'm not sure about the duration though - Let's hope it's as long as you need though.
Hi and thanks.

You can imagine how utterly delighted I am to receive this good news. :cool::D:eek:
I just looked on benefitsandwork, and they said the reassessment time is based on prognosis but you can ask.
I dunno whether to ask or not, at this stage.

I used the WCA handbook that benfitsandwork provide when filling my form, but that forum is not open till 6th Jan so I'll have to wait till then to thank them.
 
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Yeah, I can understand your reticence about asking about the reassessment time - If I were in your position I'd be worried (irrationally) about jinxing it. Just enjoy the result for now - Ring them up in a few weeks to ask. Whenever you feel up to it. That's what I'd probably do anyway.
 
Yeah, I can understand your reticence about asking about the reassessment time - If I were in your position I'd be worried (irrationally) about jinxing it. Just enjoy the result for now - Ring them up in a few weeks to ask. Whenever you feel up to it. That's what I'd probably do anyway.
Yeah, i'll probs wait.

I will be getting £89 a week, but I am gonna see the CAB who will sort it. I think they've miscalculated it. Im on a private pension of £500 per month, and they've included the support component in with that as well. I get £89 a week IB so maybe theyve just made an error.
 
Awesome Wells I'm just bumping this description to give you an idea of my experience of the Tribunal. I went along expecting something like the Employment Tribunal but I was very pleasantly surprised at how different this was. The staff were lovely and supportive and friendly. The two people on the Tribunal treated us with respect and there was no legalese. It wasn't intimidating. This was London, I hope the same applies in your area.

Good luck.


Same as the one I went to.

it helps if you have some idea of the descriptors you might be aiming at, then you understand the reason for the questions bgeing asked. eg, for Bakunin, there were several on his ability to cook for himself, because the easiest descriptor to meet for lower level DLA is being unable to cook. for him, like a lot of other stuff, the answer is he can do fine, as long as there is someone there who can catch the mistakes before the fire brigade are called. but he won't bother on his own account, hence the diabeties from eating shite. knowing what the descriptors were let me put his health into the context of what they were asking for.

and he found it a far less stressful time than me. and he is diagnosed aspie, so does have the anxiety in new spaces/with new expereinces. He wibbled loads beforehand, but once he was in there, was fine. it was me walking about for hours after feeling like i'd been smacked with a brick.
 
Hi Everyone

I got a letter today, to say that I had been placed in the support group.
I want to thank you all from the bottom of my heart for helping me.

I want to wish everyone who is waiting to hear best of luck.

The letter does not state how long I am in this group for, so I assume it's a year?

Thanks

fantastic.

and please Pete, give yourself a few days at least before you start wondering when you go through this again. give yourself a break from stressing yourself out over this. if you can.
 
They'll be fine with wellies! Fingers crossed for you, and in the meantime. I know all too well how debilitating high anxiety levels are, and how also physically poorly you can feel as a result.
Thanks. Hopefully it will be dry enough to get out. I don't care if i get soaked coming back.

I was just as nervous going to the Work Programme (and, sadly, with good reason). My legs were like jelly and I just felt awful. Unfortunately their attitude to mental health was to completely deny the 'customer' had anything wrong with them, evidence or no.
 
fantastic.

and please Pete, give yourself a few days at least before you start wondering when you go through this again. give yourself a break from stressing yourself out over this. if you can.
Hi thanks Toggle

You're one of the many on here who helped me. Without me asking you guys, well, dunno if it would have worked out, but it did, and yeah, i am chilling out. I feel better than I have done in years.
 
Hi thanks Toggle

You're one of the many on here who helped me. Without me asking you guys, well, dunno if it would have worked out, but it did, and yeah, i am chilling out. I feel better than I have done in years.

well done.

and more to the point, you now know what to write to tick boxes and if they do decide to arsehole you again relatively soon, you copy everything, then add anything new.
 
If in doubt, take ID if you can find it. The letter (assuming that you kept it) may be enough, but a passport etc just makes certain.

Good luck.

Dug out the letter among the pile of notes i have to bring tomorrow and it doesn't say anything about ID. I will bring my birth certificate and a bank statement. If that's not enough then tough as I own neither a driving license nor a passport.

I haven't even had the nerve to face all this paperwork until now. Not good really, but it's all in the bag and that will have to do. I really hope they don't keep me waiting. ATOS were so overbooked it was ridiculous. The woman who came to be WCA'd after me clearly had some difficulty walking and was told she faced an epic wait or hobble all the way back home because they couldn't have her sat in discomfort for hours.

Couldn't invest in a suitably equipped waiting room either, unfortunately.
 
Dug out the letter among the pile of notes i have to bring tomorrow and it doesn't say anything about ID. I will bring my birth certificate and a bank statement. If that's not enough then tough as I own neither a driving license nor a passport.

I haven't even had the nerve to face all this paperwork until now. Not good really, but it's all in the bag and that will have to do. I really hope they don't keep me waiting. ATOS were so overbooked it was ridiculous. The woman who came to be WCA'd after me clearly had some difficulty walking and was told she faced an epic wait or hobble all the way back home because they couldn't have her sat in discomfort for hours.

Couldn't invest in a suitably equipped waiting room either, unfortunately.


our experience was that we didn't see anyone in the building other than the receptionist and the people who were in the room during the tribunal.

I think you said yours is in a court house though? AFAIK they all have private waiting rooms for witnesses and you can always ask if there is one free that you can use if ti's busy enough in the main waiting area to cause you distress. if they do, tell the tribunal this was necessary, if they don't, explain why the lack of the facility has increased your anxiety.
 
our experience was that we didn't see anyone in the building other than the receptionist and the people who were in the room during the tribunal.

I think you said yours is in a court house though? AFAIK they all have private waiting rooms for witnesses and you can always ask if there is one free that you can use if ti's busy enough in the main waiting area to cause you distress. if they do, tell the tribunal this was necessary, if they don't, explain why the lack of the facility has increased your anxiety.
Yeah, they are using the local magistrates because of how clogged up the system is in processing all this (not sure that weighs in my favour).

I'm really hoping that they don't keep me waiting. I'm like the anti-waiter. I'll drop your drinks with my shaky hands and piss my pants! I am not a patient person. Hopefully some Bill Hicks mps will chill me out
 
Yeah, they are using the local magistrates because of how clogged up the system is in processing all this (not sure that weighs in my favour).

I'm really hoping that they don't keep me waiting. I'm like the anti-waiter. I'll drop your drinks with my shaky hands and piss my pants! I am not a patient person. Hopefully some Bill Hicks mps will chill me out
Best of luck Awesome.
 
Thanks.

Not long to go. I am absolutely shitting myself. No two ways about it. I feel like a kid being called in front of the bloody headmaster to explain himself!

Ever since the appeal was sent to the tribunal i've been dreading the arrival of the brown envelope telling me when, and then, when it did appear 3 weeks ago, I've not stopped worrying about it. This is no way to be.

I picked up the other letter my GP agreed to write after I told him his first effort wasn't great (even though I didn't know the CAB had already submitted it). It is actually a bit better, but according to the tribunal bumph submitting evidence late (i couldn't get the letter any quicker because they'd forgot to print it out in time) could lead to an adjournment! Gods, I can't go through another period of waiting. I will explode!
 
Just got back. No verdict made then, they said i would hear in the next couple iof days as they don't want to rush their decision. I hope that's not code for "you've got no chance sonny jim".

Place was empty, but being a courthouse I had to go through a metal detector which was something new.

The tribunal people seemed nice enough; clerk, lady judge, gentlman doctor. They aksed stuff, I answered stuff. Was very nervous. Had a wee moment.

Could go either way frankly. I don't know whether to laugh or cry really. This whole merry go round seems without end.
 
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